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There's no such thing as an independent female

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Yoyodiet · 16/06/2024 23:35

I'm so wound up! Earlier, DP said to me he thinks I would benefit from signing up to Andrew Tate's academy course or whatever it is (I like learning about making money online, more out of interest than actually doing it myself). I said probably, but I wouldn't want to fund him as I don't like him. He asked why and I said he's not very nice to/about women. He was aghast and we went back and forth, defending him for the most part when I was reading bits off to him from a BBC article to prove my point. I read the following -

In that same video, he described women as "intrinsically lazy" and said there was "no such thing as an independent female".

...and he was like 'yeah, no women can be independent, you need men'. I couldn't believe it! I won't bore you with the heated discussion that ensued but he genuinely believes that not just I would crumble without a man (him), but all women on the planet if men suddenly disappeared. We would apparently perish in good time because we 'cannot hunt, do electrics, fix a roof or change a tyre'. (To add insult to injury I have qualifications in electrical installation and engineering, I'm pretty sure I could also change a tyre if push came to shove).

Also, I said I think there would be less wars without men - he said there'd me more because women are bitchy?? I said I'm pretty sure men have started a lot more wars than women in history. He pointed in my face and told me women didn't even fight in wars til recently. I reminded him that men made those rules.. 😂

He genuinelyyyyyy believes I'd fall apart without him. Our relationship has been rocky lately but this really made me see a different side to him. He really made me feel like a lesser person and it's made me feel really disappointed since. AIBU to be lying in bed awake stewing over this???

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isthissexist · 27/06/2024 18:27

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 17:37

I was talking about Poland, which was the tipping point because the UK had treaty obligations. I do not need to have explained to me that I have given a simplified description of diplomacy between the wars since I was not giving a history lesson but only commenting on whether wars are always caused by some male's huge ego. I don't think they are - that is much too simplistic.

The poster you were replying to made the point (I think) that wars are caused by a small minority and driven by money and power and I was trying to illustrate those themes, though I suppose it depends on how you judge what the "cause" of a conflict is and also how you judge whether or not they meet the definition of "just" war etc. The tipping point is not the whole picture obviously, but just so that I am clear, you wrote "But it was not him who declared the war which became WWII, he just marched his army into another state and said it belonged to him" and you then referred to a "just" war - so were you saying that you think that Hitler didn't cause WWII, but notwithstanding this, the person/party who caused it was indeed pursuing a "just" war? Just interested, really.

AwfullyWeeBillyBigchin · 27/06/2024 18:54

Euro24 · 26/06/2024 16:00

Men start wars because some things are worth defending.
I cannot believe that in as little as 60 years we have lost sight of this.
Sneering at brave men who have lost their lives for a greater good- I find it to be disgraceful.

What exactly was Hitler defending when he started WW2?

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 19:12

isthissexist · 27/06/2024 18:27

The poster you were replying to made the point (I think) that wars are caused by a small minority and driven by money and power and I was trying to illustrate those themes, though I suppose it depends on how you judge what the "cause" of a conflict is and also how you judge whether or not they meet the definition of "just" war etc. The tipping point is not the whole picture obviously, but just so that I am clear, you wrote "But it was not him who declared the war which became WWII, he just marched his army into another state and said it belonged to him" and you then referred to a "just" war - so were you saying that you think that Hitler didn't cause WWII, but notwithstanding this, the person/party who caused it was indeed pursuing a "just" war? Just interested, really.

Edited

Clearly, Hitler caused WWII in the sense he marched into Poland. But the causes are diverse and partly lie in the Treaty of Versailles, the treatment of Germany after WWI (reparations etc.) and the depression caused by inflation in the Weimar Republic. But it was Britain that declared war - so no ego involved there, just law. Hitler thought the UK would sit on its hands since a war in Europe would be ruinous and thus not worth the candle. I am saying no more than that. I am a medievalist, not a modern historian, so my view is fairly shallow.

isthissexist · 27/06/2024 19:17

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 19:12

Clearly, Hitler caused WWII in the sense he marched into Poland. But the causes are diverse and partly lie in the Treaty of Versailles, the treatment of Germany after WWI (reparations etc.) and the depression caused by inflation in the Weimar Republic. But it was Britain that declared war - so no ego involved there, just law. Hitler thought the UK would sit on its hands since a war in Europe would be ruinous and thus not worth the candle. I am saying no more than that. I am a medievalist, not a modern historian, so my view is fairly shallow.

I think the cause is the most relevant thing, not the tipping point usually, but I agree that causes were diverse. What is a medievalist?

iolaus · 27/06/2024 19:18

I just read this to my husband - as soon as I finished the first line where he mentioned Andrew Tate he was saying you need to get out now

isthissexist · 27/06/2024 19:37

isthissexist · 27/06/2024 19:17

I think the cause is the most relevant thing, not the tipping point usually, but I agree that causes were diverse. What is a medievalist?

Sorry, brain fog - I see that a medievalist is a specialist in medieval life/history!

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