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Really dislike 16-year-old niece: don't want to have her to stay

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valsays · 12/06/2024 14:11

My sister was divorced several years ago and is sole parent to my niece who's almost 16. Her ex lives abroad and sees his DD rarely. I used to get on really well with DN and spent quite a lot of time with her until she reached the age of around 13, at which point she started to become obnoxious. I ignored the snide remarks and lack of consideration or gratitude for as long as I could, but last year things reached a head.

She and a friend of hers came to stay with me for 4 nights, as they have a couple of times a year for some years. I live in London and when she stays I do things with them that they wouldn't be able to do where they live. Last year we went down the Thames to Hampton Court on a boat, we shopped at Camden Market and Spitalfields and Hoxton, we went to Tate Modern and the Globe theatre, we saw a couple of shows and a couple of films. I pay for everything, obviously. DN's friend was lovely. DN was a complete nightmare. Didn't want to go out and do anything but was angling to go clubbing and angry with me for saying no. She was 14! Didn't want to go anywhere I suggested, couldn't suggest anything she'd like to do. One day we had a quiet day locally, because she was so adamant about not going out, and she complained we didn't do anything. I tried talking to her to find out what was going on, but she told me to eff off and then had a furious rant at me. She was really trying to be hurtful. I soaked it up and tried to comfort her friend, who found the situation difficult, but it really spoiled the last couple of days of their visit and she had another major outburst in the car when I took them home.

Last Christmas I bought her something that I'm sure she'd said she wanted. Something that cost £300. I was there when she opened it, with my DM and DS and other family members around. DN opened her present, pulled a face and then threw it at me and said 'You're as shit at buying presents as everything else' and walked out and slammed the door on us. My DM was shocked. My DS went after DN and told her off and there was a big row that ruined the day. DN hasn't spoken to me or contacted me since then. I've messaged her occasionally and she's just ignored me.

My DS knows what DN is like, but is still anticipating that this August I'll have her and the friend to stay as usual. As the time approaches I feel less and less like doing it. Their visits cost me over £1k, which I don't begrudge. But I'm not going to spend that sort of money and also soak up the abuse.

I've contacted my DS to say I'm not sure I want to continue the tradition. My DS says she has to face this kind of behaviour every day and it's just part of dealing with teens. She's actually accused me of being unreasonable for not carrying on as usual. AIBU?

OP posts:
SilverBranchGoldenPears · 12/06/2024 14:21

Absolutely NO WAY should you be even texting her. Tell your ds that she can keep her obnoxious daughter and keep your time, money and emotional energy for yourself. This is NOT normal teen behaviour.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 12/06/2024 14:21

Your DS may think it's 'just part of dealing with teens' (I don't agree, at all!)

But your DN is about to learn that part of being rude and obnoxious is that people don't want to do nice things for you.

It sounds well past time she learnt that tbh.

ELM8 · 12/06/2024 14:21

Absolutely not, and I'm surprised the friend wants to go on a trip with her again as well

NeedToChangeName · 12/06/2024 14:22

That's not normal behaviour for teens. I'd decline to host on the basis that she didn't enjoy it last year

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 12/06/2024 14:22

No way!

IWilloBeACervix · 12/06/2024 14:23

Definitely put your foot down. No one should accept that behaviour.

Being as you now have a weekend free, can I come and stay? You sound lovely and I’d love to do all those activities. I’d be incredibly grateful.

Purplebunnie · 12/06/2024 14:24

Your sister wants a week away from her ungrateful, badly behaved brat

LoobyDoop2 · 12/06/2024 14:24

No way! And to avoid any misunderstanding I would message both of them now and say, just to be clear, your behaviour last summer and at Christmas was completely unacceptable, and I’m not prepared to expose myself to a repeat, so you won’t be able to visit this summer.

SonicTheHodgeheg · 12/06/2024 14:24

There is no way that I’d host your niece although I’d have the friend if money is no object.

Her mother might be able to tolerate this behaviour but you shouldn’t have to.

Merryoldgoat · 12/06/2024 14:24

Not a fucking chance.

I’d have taken that gift right back. What an ungrateful girl.

Hopingtobe4 · 12/06/2024 14:24

I wouldn't host either I'd advise sister that after what happener last year and at Christmas you don't feel like you have a good relationship,that you have tried reaching out to her and had mo reply. And maybe by next year she'll have apologised and grown up a bit

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 14:25

This is not normal behaviour at all, but don't close the door forever. I would say straight out, no, I don't want those teenage strops here, but I am looking forward to seeing you again when you are a little bit older.

FakeRockLamp · 12/06/2024 14:25

I thought that the holiday behaviour sounded like a very difficult stroppy teen/hormonal phase that she is likely to grow out of so that maybe you were being a bit harsh.

But then I got to the present part… I’d be done with her after that, that is outrageous.

cheezncrackers · 12/06/2024 14:25

No wonder your DN behaves in such an obnoxious and entitled way if her own DM won't pull her up for it and actually accuses you of being unreasonable when you point it out. There is no way in hell that I'd be having the ungrateful and unpleasant little madam to stay this summer. I'm a DM of two teens and if either of my DC behaved like this a) I'd be absolutely mortified and b) I would back you to the hilt in refusing to have them to stay. Your DSis is reaping what she's sown.

foghead · 12/06/2024 14:25

No way would I host her. I have a dn who comes and stays with me for similar reasons and she's lovely to hang around with. She's 19 and has never behaved like that.
Your sister can say whatever she likes but you're not the girls parent and do not have to put up with such horrendous behaviour.

JazbayGrapes · 12/06/2024 14:26

Say to DSis that DN has obviously not enjoyed herself last time plus you have other plans.

MILTOBE · 12/06/2024 14:27

No way. Who are the 1% who thinks you're unreasonable?

I thought teenagers saved any nastiness for their own immediate family and presented a much nicer image to everyone else. Did you talk to your sister about her daughter's behaviour on the trip to London? My daughter would have been made to apologise for her behaviour.

Her behaviour at Christmas, too, was appalling. What on earth is up with that girl?

Brefugee · 12/06/2024 14:27

don't use flowery language that obfuscates your message, which is what you have done so far.

Your niece doesn't deserve time with you like this but you must communicate it clearly to your sister. Really, use the actual words: she is not coming to stay with me. no. It is not happening. Full stop.

OuijaBoard · 12/06/2024 14:28

My DS says she has to face this kind of behaviour every day and it's just part of dealing with teens. She's actually accused me of being unreasonable for not carrying on as usual.

It's not. Sure, most teens can be difficult, emotional, even rude at times, but unless there is some underlying issue most can also manage to be civil - as demonstrated by your niece's same-age friend whom you'd not mind and maybe even enjoy hosting. BUT, even if it WERE par for the course for "teens", why would you be obliged to out up with it? Since DN isn't YOUR teen, you're not able to look into whether there might be a deeper issue and get her help for it OR parent her and discipline her so she learns not to treat others like dirt.

Since your sister seems determined to be ridiculous, it may be most effective to just say a clear no and stick to it. "No, I can't host Nellie this year." Don't even bother with any further explanation of justification as (1) you've already provided ample reason and (2) your sister will just keep pushing on your boundaries no matter what. Or tell her that based on last year's trip and her comments at Christmas, Nellie obviously wants nothing to do with you and shouldn't be forced to visit. Either way, say no and mean it.

CocoPlum · 12/06/2024 14:28

"It might be part of dealing with teens DSis but I'm not prepared to deal with that. I'm looking forward to spending time with her once she's out of this phase".

DramaLlamaBangBang · 12/06/2024 14:28

That is not normal behaviour from a teen. It is normal behaviour from a spoilt little madam! No way would my 16 year old be getting away with that.
You may be doing your niece and sister a favour, if your niece loses out on a few nice days in London over the summer as a result of her behaviour, it may teach her a lesson. Also, don't buy her £300 worth of presents!

BreadInCaptivity · 12/06/2024 14:28

Based on your post OP the fact she hasn't apologised for her behaviour at Christmas would mean I'd not be willing to host her whilst it seems there have been no repercussions for that appalling behaviour.

The fact your sister puts it with daily is not your problem. She's the parent here and I'd suggest the fact she does put up with it is why the behaviour continues.

This is not normal stroppy teen behaviour.

Pinkypinkyplonk · 12/06/2024 14:28

@valsays I had/ have four teens. They do not behave like that. Any sign of any behaviour even heading that way gets stamped on instantly. I’m afraid your sister is enabling her.
Just tell your sister, that following Christmas and the lack of an apology, the lack of communication from your DN after your txts, you feel that your DN doesn’t want to come to you this summer.
If your sister feels differently then your DN needs to apologise and be told that those behaviours won’t be accepted in your house!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/06/2024 14:28

Yanbu your sister is being vu for not apologizing. Sorry to her that she has to handle that behaviour but it's her responsibility not yours. Sadly she has really spoilt her. Don't have her until DN has apologized to you and promised not to behave like that again.

fungipie · 12/06/2024 14:28

She needs to learn that such behaviour has consequences. And the answer is a firm and simple NO.