MN really IS full of jealous, angry people

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AIBU to think MN is full of people spitting tacks that some people have a lot of money. More money than them.

I'm currently reading threads bashing those than own Range Rovers calling the owners stupid, wankers and the like.
Several threads on private school VAT where the resentment is palpable and people are positively gleeful that the private school dc might suffer and end up in sone terrible school miles away from their homes.
Threads on women who do not work and have husbands who earn a lot. Apparently these women are not rich. Their husbands are and the women live 'off their dh money', are prostitutes, their rich husbands are definitely having affairs and the woman are definitely miserable but pretend to be happy and not contributing in any way to the marriage. The same accusers then have to do a completely illogical about face and say they don't think women who earn £2k a year whilst their dh earn over 100k are living off 'his money' because she is 'still contributing' because otherwise they are agreeing that the one who earns more is the boss. And they don't really believe that. That obviously just resent and have rage about rich women who have the choice Whether to work.
Threads on people seeking private diagnoses claiming the highly qualified and regulated consultants are on the make and unethically diagnosing anyone who pays. ^
Threads on how helping adult dc with their first hike purchase makes the dc spoilt, entitled and will definitely fail in life due to always needing help.^

It's just relentless. The people attacking anyone with money are just so illogical and contradictory that it is obvious they just can't stand rich people.

They are convinced anyone with money has gotten it through ill gotten gains, tax evasion, immoral means and when all else fails pulls out the 'new money' trope. ^

Bizarrely they seem to worship people who inherited money through no hard work, sacrifice or intelligence. They love referring to them as old money in the conversations putting down those who made a lot of money themselves.^

They sniffly state they wouldn't want^ a Range Rover if it was given to them/private education for their dc/access to private healthcare/the ability to choose whether to work or not.... basically anything money can buy that they don't already have is beneath their superior moral code. Because by the end of any debate they have to resort to trying to denigrate the rich person's morality^ as all their other attacks are shown to be illogical or weird.

In all honesty most people I know would be on their knees thanking all their Gods if they had no financial worries, no health care waitlists for their sick relatives and the sorts of small class sizes and facilities private schools offer to their kids.
It's kind of cringey reading it.

It's a forum where you can post anonymously. That's never going to bring out the best in people.

Maybe have a few days off mumsnet to calm down and get some perspective?

You sound angry as well, OP. I find most people in the real world are always angry about something, however minor.

I agree OP - in this country nobody is allowed to do well - its a race to the bottom!

Did OP touch a nerve?

I agree with you.

I feel it's quite representative of how people are in real life tbh. They just don't say it to your face, but occasionally you'll get the odd dig or they will show their true colours.
I used to be envious of those who ' had it all ' as well at times ( especially when we didn't have a lot ourselves ) but life experience shows us that it's not always what it seems, even if their life looks picture perfect on the outside.
I know I'll never have the millions in the bank or the big house and so on , but you have to count your blessings and remember it could be a lot worse ( which I know isn't always easy to do)

That’s a bit of a rant. I think you sound pretty angry tbh.

YABU that's a whole bunch of different things! Anyone with a range rover/4x4 not in the actual countryside is a twat.

They're SO dangerous to children/pedestrians/cyclists, car parks aren't designed for them, roads aren't wide enough... That's not financial jealousy speaking (doing quite nicely tyvm), it's my actual opinion??? If you have £££ and live in a city just buy a mini with a diamond-encrusted steering wheel or something 👍

Yanbu, I completely agree. Bitterly jealous people. As if they would say no to a Range Rover and private education if given the opportunity 😅 Can always spot them.

I'm not angry at all. I'm saddened by the level of vitriol out there. It's an indication that people are unhappy and that's going to reflect in an angry society.

To be fair, a lot of the anger I've seen on MN lately has been coming from private school parents who are outraged that a) it turns out that you can't actually magic up thousands of pounds simply by giving up avocados and valuing education, and b) the 93% who use state education don't see the imposition of VAT on what is indisputably a luxury as an emergency.

I am not angry with wealthy people, but I don't much care about their financial woes, either - I have my own, and I doubt they are losing sleep over me.

It's just so sad 😞

What about all the other nice supportive threads you haven't mentioned?

Yes, this.

I could afford a top of the range Range Rover tomorrow if I wanted one, but a) I'm not really into cars b) if I was that keen on a trophy car I'd much rather have the vintage Mercedes saloon I've always half-heartedly lusted after c) I live in central London and I'm not a twat.

The OP isn't wrong about some of her other points, but she's dead wrong about why people hate Chelsea Tractors.

People are angry. They’ve been screwed over for years, their quality of life is dropping, the lives they aspired to are racing further and further out of reach. They work for companies in which the people at the top now earn so many multiples of the people at the bottom that they might as well be different species.

we live in a world were there are now centi-billionaires, and there will be more of them popping up at a faster and faster rate, and yet a large portion of the planet is still living hand to mouth.

As the rich get richer the poor will occasionally look up long enough to feel angry that so much of the resources of the planet are becoming controlled by so few people, and that tiny minority carry carbon footprints that dwarf that of the average person.

the downside of wealth is fear - because the poor are angry, and there are a lot of them!

I am not a conservative , but I think the VAT idea on private schools is just daft. They are only doing it because they know they can't tax everyone else more and now we've had Brexit , they can do it. It'll backfire on them by costing in the long run, especially schools having to find extra places for children.
I know it's a controversial subject though ( especially on this forum) and I can see both sides..

Yep.

There will always be people richer than me. There are a whole lot of people poorer than me.

I don't resent those who have more. It would be a completely self destructive thing to do and would hurt no one be me.

You’re right that these people exist but I don’t think they’re the majority. It’s more that most people have no comment to make on someone else’s situation, so they don’t post anything, and it’s only the people who are bothered who express themselves.

That said, I don’t blame and anyone for feeling irritated by the millions of school fee threads recently- not because they’re jealous but because endless threads on the same subject are a bore.

I very much doubt that if a woman posted on here to say she owned a small car, worked full time and didn't mind paying VAT on private schools people would have any issue with her at all even if she was also a multi millionaire.
You are conflating people having opinions about cars, the introduction of VAT on private schools, and the SAHM model of family life because its easier than considering the points the people are actually making about these things and coming up with a counter argument. Its also more flattering to believe people disagree with or dislike an aspect of your life because they are jealous than it is to face the fact that not everyone thinks what you've got is as great as you think they should.

I agree with this totally

True

It's anonymous, so it's the space where a lot of bitter people - likely very quiet in real life - vent all their frustration and bitterness.

The threads about SAHM are always insane, the vitriol is astonishing. It's nothing else than sheer jealousy.

The very real fights and anger on threads about shoes on/ shoes off houses are mental but hilarious.

When someone turns nasty, it's only about themselves. It's also easier to rant against people with a better life than doing something about your own.

Haha it’s true but this is an anonymous forum, people can say what they want and how they truly feel.

I don’t understand why people get pissed off at those that post about stuff that they know will annoy them. If you don’t like the fact that people have expensive cars, don’t click on the thread. Someone’s posted in Education and they’ve got 5 children in private school, don’t click on the thread. It’s as if because we’re poor sods, people with more money than as, can’t ask for advice.

This place is very supportive for the majority but I guess it depends where you post. There’s never any shitty comments on the SEN board😆

Er yeah, YABU. I've read the threads you're talking about and my take was vastly different than yours!