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To want to do something with just my kids?

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LilyPanda · 09/06/2024 00:05

I want to take my kids away in the 6 weeks… either abroad for 4-5 nights or somewhere in the UK. Most likely abroad to somewhere like Spain or France.

Husband won’t be coming as he is working and self employed so if he doesn’t work, he doesn’t get paid but he’s more then happy for me to go with our 2 kids.

However, he has asked if I would take his DD (my DSD) and Iv said no, I would like to just take our kids and spend some quality time with them. Hes accepted this and nothing else was said about it but DSD has heard from her sister that she’s going away and now her mum is asking why can’t she come.

So am I being totally selfish to only want to take my own children?

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 09/06/2024 13:26

bagginsatbagend · 09/06/2024 13:22

The child’s mother didn’t make the decision to be a parent to the other kids, the child’s mother didn’t make the decision to be part of their family, the other child’s mother isn’t any relation to the other kids. OP is, she chose to be a step mum, she chose to part of that kids life & be part of their family, OP chose to have more children with a man who already had kids. The other mum is nothing to do with the other kids, OP is. So of course the other mum isn’t going to take her ex’s kids anywhere, she’s not their step mum, OP is

OP didn’t decide to be a parent to the other kid either. ‘Stepparent’ is literally just a title that means ‘married to a parent’, it isn’t a defined role.

She is part of the kid’s life and family, but she’s not her mother and she’s not responsible for her.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/06/2024 13:27

bagginsatbagend · 09/06/2024 13:22

The child’s mother didn’t make the decision to be a parent to the other kids, the child’s mother didn’t make the decision to be part of their family, the other child’s mother isn’t any relation to the other kids. OP is, she chose to be a step mum, she chose to part of that kids life & be part of their family, OP chose to have more children with a man who already had kids. The other mum is nothing to do with the other kids, OP is. So of course the other mum isn’t going to take her ex’s kids anywhere, she’s not their step mum, OP is

Mumsnet can’t have it both ways on this issue. It’s always trotted out that step mums are nothing. They aren’t the bio mum, they have no say in the parenting of the step child. Then on the other hand if the step mum acts like they are primarily the mother of their bio children they are criticised for not prioritising the step children in all decisions. It’s a total gotcha and I feel incredibly sorry for everyone involved in this impossible decision.

SackofSweets · 09/06/2024 13:28

bagginsatbagend · 09/06/2024 13:13

It’s a figure of speech, but I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know that…

As I said, within mine & my husbands family there is no such thing as step, we’re all just family regardless. So for me it’s really weird to not want to take your ‘step’ child because they are part of your family, when you chose to get with the mum/dad you chose to take that child on. To then make the decision to actually say no, they’re not mine so I don’t want to include them I only want to include my own children even though they have the same father & are part of your family before the biological kids even came along.

Not once has any ‘step’ been left out of anything in our families, my husbands ‘step’ sister is his sister & her kids are his nieces & nephews (& obviously mine). My first son is not a step child/grandchild. My step sister is my sister & my mums daughter even though my mum split from her dad 2 decades ago. So maybe I see it different because I’ve been raised to include all children when you make the decision to enter their lives, family is always family not just whenever it’s convenient.

It’s not about moral high ground, it’s about making the decision to be a family & not only be a family when it suits you. To not include a child that you made the choice to bring into your family is just mental to me.

I couldn’t do it, I couldn’t have his child & my child, they are our children. Even more so when you’ve been their step mum since they were a toddler so well over a decade

So when I take one of my bio children and leave one behind or DH does the same is that us not accepting the other?

UrbanFan · 09/06/2024 13:29

No. Go and have a good time with your children,

bagginsatbagend · 09/06/2024 13:58

SackofSweets · 09/06/2024 13:28

So when I take one of my bio children and leave one behind or DH does the same is that us not accepting the other?

It depends on your reasoning for why you take one child out over the other. Do you leave the eldest at home because once you had another child you don’t want to spend time with the first one anymore & prefer to be with the younger ones?

Waterbaby41 · 09/06/2024 14:02

bagginsatbagend · 09/06/2024 11:29

I couldn’t do this & my husband definitely wouldn’t leave out my son who he’s raised from being a toddler, they are both his boys & both are his parents grandkids. They take both boys away with them & took my son (who they see as their grandson) away with them before our son came along. When you make the decision to have children with someone who is already a parent you make the decision to be a whole family. I just couldn’t be like no she’s your daughter, I only want my kids not yours

I guess it’s just the way we’ve both been raised, there’s no ‘step’ in our families, you are family & there’s no distinction between biological & non biological. My husbands ‘step’ sister is his sister & his mums daughter as are my sisters. Even though my mum & dad split up 20 years ago my ‘step’ sister is still part of our family. We wouldn’t be treated any differently by my mum, all our family still see her as my mums daughter. Those saying her mum wouldn’t take your kids on holiday, well of course not her mum isn’t your kids step mum. You are his daughter’s step mum & have raised her from a young age. I just can’t get my head around yours & mine when they all should be ours

Absolutely spot on👏👏

MaryFuckingFerguson · 09/06/2024 14:05

I think it’s mean to not include your stepdaughter. Comments about her mum taking your kids are daft. They’re not her stepchildren.

You signed up to be a stepparent so you should accept this comes with including the stepchild.

InterIgnis · 09/06/2024 14:08

MaryFuckingFerguson · 09/06/2024 14:05

I think it’s mean to not include your stepdaughter. Comments about her mum taking your kids are daft. They’re not her stepchildren.

You signed up to be a stepparent so you should accept this comes with including the stepchild.

So are comments about ‘you signed up to be a stepparent’, and extrapolating it to mean she’s obliged to consider her stepchild her daughter.

She signed up to be her husband’s wife, that’s it. She didn’t become responsible for his daughter, no matter how much you may want this to be true.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/06/2024 14:09

Shortfatsuit · 09/06/2024 00:28

Will your DH be taking dsd away on a separate trip? If so, I can't see an issue - all of the dc will get a trip.

If not, then I think you might need to rethink how you pay for this trip. Can you cover the cost from your own money, ather than taking from the family pot? That way, it can easily be explained to dsd that you are treating your kids and her mum can treat her. It isn't anything to do with her dad.

If family money is paying for it, I think it's much harder to justify, because her dad is contributing to the cost of a holiday for some of his kids but not all.

Why is it harder to justify if it’s paid for from the family pot ? If OP’s DH was going then yes, but it’s just OP. I doubt her DH’s ex takes OP’s kids on holiday with her.

Firsttimetrier · 09/06/2024 14:10

user1492757084 · 09/06/2024 10:00

It's fine for you to take your kids away.
Make sure DH has something fun to do with his daughter when she visits while you are away.
Send her a post card and bring her back a gift.

Definitely this @LilyPanda.

I can completely see both sides and don’t know what to solution is, but it is sad you can’t organise to do something with your biological children. I know the rules probably change when you become a step parent, but if DSD gets one on one time with her biological parents, why can’t yours?

Rosscameasdoody · 09/06/2024 14:19

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Why ? She married DH, she has no obligation to be a parent - DSD already has two. Visitation with the non-resident parent is to facilitate contact between parent and child, not step-parent and child. In this case DH is not going on the holiday - it would be totally different if he was. Why should OP feel obligated to take her DSD on a holiday she wants to use to spend time with her own biological children, in the same way that DH’s ex does with hers ?

GlassCaseOfEmotions · 09/06/2024 14:25

susansaucepan · 09/06/2024 12:57

Isn't it sad that you have been in this girl's life since she was a toddler and you don't view her family enough to take her with you on a family holiday that her father is contributing to ?

She is near enough an adult and needs very little in the way of supervision or care while on holiday too . If anything she will be more help than hindrance. You are literally not taking her purely because she is your "step" child rather than biological. It's your prerogative but sad nonetheless.

Or, and I know this will seem wild and unimaginable to you, she's not taking her because she wants to have quality time with her biological children.

DM has quality time with her biological children. DF has quality time with his biological children. Why is OP not entitled to the same? 'because that's what she signed up for when she married a man with children' isn't a good enough reason.

Also, a 16 year old abroad absolutely does need the same level of supervision and care as a younger child. In some respects more so, as they have far easier access to things like alcohol and night life. Then when DSD ends up drunk and lost abroad, OP would be hung out to dry by DM and DF for not supervising closely enough.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/06/2024 14:25

susansaucepan · 09/06/2024 12:57

Isn't it sad that you have been in this girl's life since she was a toddler and you don't view her family enough to take her with you on a family holiday that her father is contributing to ?

She is near enough an adult and needs very little in the way of supervision or care while on holiday too . If anything she will be more help than hindrance. You are literally not taking her purely because she is your "step" child rather than biological. It's your prerogative but sad nonetheless.

Would you think it ‘sad’ that the ex doesn’t take OP’s children on holiday with her ? After all they are DSD’s half siblings. Ex gets to spend time with her biological children, why is so unfair that OP does the same ?

LocalHobo · 09/06/2024 14:26

Yes.

pam290358 · 09/06/2024 14:27

LocalHobo · 09/06/2024 14:26

Yes.

Yes to what ? You need to quote the post you’re replying to.

SackofSweets · 09/06/2024 14:27

bagginsatbagend · 09/06/2024 13:58

It depends on your reasoning for why you take one child out over the other. Do you leave the eldest at home because once you had another child you don’t want to spend time with the first one anymore & prefer to be with the younger ones?

Sometimes yes. I have holidays with just my two children, sometimes I have holidayed with all of them. DH takes just his eldest, also sometimes takes two and leaves the youngest with me. A mix really. Sometimes he just takes the middle one and camps with his brother and one of his kids. It just depends what we’re doing. I certainly wouldn’t feel comfortable managing all 3 children swimming etc.

skyeisthelimit · 09/06/2024 14:28

If your DH can't afford to take time off work then he isn't charging enough. I say that as a self employed person and an accountant. When you are self employed you need to charge enough to cover sick time and holiday time etc.

Aside from that, I think that DH should be going with you and taking your SD.

SackofSweets · 09/06/2024 14:29

InterIgnis · 09/06/2024 14:08

So are comments about ‘you signed up to be a stepparent’, and extrapolating it to mean she’s obliged to consider her stepchild her daughter.

She signed up to be her husband’s wife, that’s it. She didn’t become responsible for his daughter, no matter how much you may want this to be true.

My DH’s exW used to say this. Then she spilt up with her husband, who had a daughter, so her step daughter and said she didn’t have capacity to help maintain the half siblings relationships. Fair enough, I thought. But it made her a hypocrite.

Outliers · 09/06/2024 14:33

Its my belief that once married, step-children should be treated as your own, as much as feasible.

Consequently, I think it's unreasonable. Poor girl will no doubt feel alienated and othered by this.

That's just my view though.

Ereyraa · 09/06/2024 14:37

Make sure DH has something fun to do with his daughter when she visits while you are away.

Thats for DH to sort out, not for OP to ‘make sure’. She doesn’t have to sort it because she is female.

gofigure5 · 09/06/2024 14:39

InterIgnis · 09/06/2024 12:22

Nope, a stepparent doesn’t in fact have to take on a parental role, regardless of how mad about that you get.

My view.

As I said, I have a real issue with those on here who entered into the relationship via an affair. Despise those situations, no need for them. Then they go on about 'angry ex-wives' - why shouldn't they be pissed off?

But just don't go into a relationship with a man with children. How hard is it to just avoid? I mean - come on!

gofigure5 · 09/06/2024 14:42

Rosscameasdoody · 09/06/2024 14:25

Would you think it ‘sad’ that the ex doesn’t take OP’s children on holiday with her ? After all they are DSD’s half siblings. Ex gets to spend time with her biological children, why is so unfair that OP does the same ?

Strange argument. The ex wife has not been raising the OP's kids from when they were toddlers and they have not at any point lived under her roof.

Namenamchange · 09/06/2024 14:43

Ereyraa · 09/06/2024 14:37

Make sure DH has something fun to do with his daughter when she visits while you are away.

Thats for DH to sort out, not for OP to ‘make sure’. She doesn’t have to sort it because she is female.

However her dh is working, which I guess he needs to do so op can go on holiday with the children considering op they share money.

op is there an option for you to do overtime so your dh is able to take a few days off to take the children away?

InterIgnis · 09/06/2024 14:47

gofigure5 · 09/06/2024 14:39

My view.

As I said, I have a real issue with those on here who entered into the relationship via an affair. Despise those situations, no need for them. Then they go on about 'angry ex-wives' - why shouldn't they be pissed off?

But just don't go into a relationship with a man with children. How hard is it to just avoid? I mean - come on!

‘I have an issue’ - yes, and as such it’s for you to deal with, it’s not anyone else’s problem.

Funnily enough I imagine people will continue to do what they like regarding who they get into relationships with, and will continue to decide for themselves what being a stepparent practically means for them. You may not like it, but oh well, you don’t have to. What you get to do is be mad about it, I guess.

GlassCaseOfEmotions · 09/06/2024 14:49

gofigure5 · 09/06/2024 14:39

My view.

As I said, I have a real issue with those on here who entered into the relationship via an affair. Despise those situations, no need for them. Then they go on about 'angry ex-wives' - why shouldn't they be pissed off?

But just don't go into a relationship with a man with children. How hard is it to just avoid? I mean - come on!

I've not seen a single poster saying they were the other woman. I think you're letting your assumptions cloud your judgement.