To be terrified by Farage/Reform's plans to replace the NHS with "an insurance based model"?

[Gillemeow]

It seems to have been largely overlooked by the mainstream media but Nigel Farage on the debate last night was clear that he thought the NHS should be replaced by an insurance model.

Given that most of the country are already crippled by the current cost of living crisis, how does he expect people to pay this extra cost? If employers have spare cash to do it (as in France or the USA where many get insurance via their employer), why aren't they giving decent wage rises?

His plans would penalise people with existing health conditions. And which sex would end up paying more.for insurance? The one that gives birth and goes through menopause or the one that doesn't?

In France contraception is only free if you're under 26. What if you're not? Will the right wing's phrase of choice on children change from "don't have children of you can't afford them" to "don't have sex if you can't afford it"?

Unfortunately as we have already seen the government is terrified of him so has already taken actions that he stands for (brexit, Rwanda for example)

Why do they have zero chance?

How many more billions of pounds would you like to see pumped into the NHS before you accept that it's no longer working?

Ffs these comments.. we pay for the nhs through NI.. it should be free at the point of access!

What needs looking at is the cost of drugs si pharmaceutical companies are not for profit... non-essential staff.. there are too many pen pushers higher up (it's the sane in schools in academies!!! ). Let's just have the core staff we need, pay them a decent wage and you'll get a much better outcome! Not fucking rocket science is it?

Fwiw Labour are the party who will make a difference, the only reason they are not in power now is that the right wing media had a hate campaign against Jeremy Corbyn (the greatest PM we never had) .

Yes they have said how . The manifesto is out . The nhs he said needs reform and study of other European systems not USA .

And I agree with his comments about stop and search as well .

Tbh, I would support part nhs, part insurance. There’s got to be a better model out there than what we have now. GP services, dental services, operation waiting lists, A&E waiting times, all absolutely dire. And btw, interesting to see how people are so adamant on here that Reform won’t get in. I don’t think they will either, but I think they’ll do a lot better than people are predicting. You just have to look at the Dutch elections, where the unthinkable has happened with Wilder. There are a lot of people who aren’t vocalising they are voting for reform due to the hostility from others who are anti Farage. It’s not going to be apparent how well they’ve done til results night - the polls can’t predict how well they’ll do, as they can with Tories vs Labour.

They won’t win but if they get some MPs in they might start kicking backsides . Not a bad thing .

If Reform somehow got elected, and implemented net zero immigration, I think we’ll just need to get used to not having things like a public healthcare system, state pensions and alike. How do you continue to fund them with a shrinking workforce?

@T1Dmama they can't get in power due to our electoral system.. to form a govt the winning party needs to have the majority of seats in parliament.. to do that they need to win the most seats in each constituency.. each constituency is a seat... some constituencies are smaller, some are bigger.. it doesn't matter.. it's not the number of votes but the amount of constituency seats that make the difference. Unless the reform party have candidates in every single constituency (which they don't) and every single constituency votes for them ahead of established and trusted main party candidates/incumbants they literally cannot get in.

A vote for reform however will take away votes for the tories meaning Labour are pretty much guaranteed to get in (and rightly so) .

The more the population increases by way of net migration, the more people with greater need will be there.

And I don’t blame people who have paid taxes for decades for being annoyed, especially if they lose their jobs and all they’ve worked so hard for as a consequence. I’m an immigrant myself and I can understand it, why can’t you?

The only way to fix it is either to limit migration or increase taxes to fund more hospitals.

I’m afraid fingers in ears don’t work anymore, it’s time to make a choice.

Doesn’t bother me at all. He will never be elected so he can’t bring this in.

@Sureaseggs44 like the off BNP mp that got voted in once upon a time?

Immigrants are generally young, healthy, strong.

They will contribute much by tax before they need the NHS as much ad our elderly do.

And how do you propose paying for the ever expanding infrastructure considering the population is expanding fast due to migration?

Also, what’s not without fiscal consequences is that those leaving the UK are the ones likely to be net contributors and those coming in aren’t.

So far the GDP per capita, the purchasing power and the standard of living have been going down proportionately with the increases in migration.

Go figure.

Would be interesting if they did, though.
I'm not allowed to vote in GE, but it's actually a bit of a relief, since I genuinely wouldn't know who to go for.

@Pigletsoink you're claiming a direct correlation between standard of living and GDP per capris with rates of immigration?

Because most immigrants work and pay tax it shouldn’t present a problem.

Really? You can’t choose between, incompetent Tories, extreme Reform and somebody sensible?

Totally agree. I lived in France for nearly 7 years and the health service is far more efficient. People on low incomes get free basic/ essential health and dental care. Everyone else can choose what insurance level they want starting from like £80 pp:pm. Everything is quicker. It’s not perfect, like anything, but I witnessed health clinics that looked 5* and were available to all. Maternity services brilliant: no rushed deliveries etc. Old people cared for. Easy and free dentist appointments for poor people. Women can book to see any gynaecologist or midwife at anytime for anything. None of this waiting or referral or waiting list crap. So much better.

It’s not that black and white I’m afraid. Most work in low paid jobs and aren’t net contributors. But this is why corporate interests love open borders, unfettered access to cheap labour and increasing the poll and the competition among workforce is their wet dream. Just a shame those on the left haven’t realised this yet.

https://cps.org.uk/research/taking-back-control/

Of course most Western countries
need some immigration. But it should be managed based on the country’s need and not on how many people want to live in that country.

Plus, it’s a well proven fact that the standard
of living is the highest in smaller and balanced populations.

Absolutely nothing to do with left or right wing.

Really?

And there are laws on minimum wage.

Yes, really.

Posting a screenshot of something written on a corporate immigration lawyers firm website is disingenuous and basically proves you have no real arguments.