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Am I about to make a huge financial mistake?

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MaryMaryVeryContrary · 08/06/2024 11:54

DP and I have 2 children. Unmarried - he proposed but kids came along and can got kicked down the road. Didn’t see the urgency - I have my own career and money, but we keep meaning to as administratively it would tie up a few loose ends.

We have been together 8 years and after 1 year I rented out my flat and moved into his house. Tried to sell my flat during covid but no interest whatsoever so rented it out again. Now it is sold and the time has come to pool our cash and buy the family home we really want.

We found a property, got an offer on his house and all seemed to be going well. 1 week before exchange we discovered our plan - for me to contribute half the funds, and for him to take out a mortgage for the other half - isn’t viable as the bank won’t lend a mortgage to a person where another person jointly owns the property. Either we go on the mortgage together or nothing.

The issue is I have (paid off, from 2014) CCJ from an unpaid parking fine; and (believing I was sensible) have never had a credit card, so my credit rating is being refused for a mortgage.

I’ve been advised to give my (huge as an inheritance - 150k) deposit to DP, he then buys the house as a sole owner and I get a deed of trust to ‘protect my share’.

I feel everyone is trying to rush me into this and while I have an appointment with a solicitor next week, I would be really grateful for any input from others on what they would do. My gut tells me this isn’t a good idea.

OP posts:
Trainday · 08/06/2024 14:10

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 08/06/2024 14:08

Exactly, these are my feelings.

I don’t want to marry him right now and I don’t want to give him my money.

I trust him - but then every woman who ends up in a bad situation felt that way didn’t they?

He’s actually fine with me not going ahead with it and hasn’t tried to talk me out of it at all. I think he just doesn’t want to lose the house

Are you going to speak to the broker? I think you need to find out for yourself what's gone on, regardless of whether you proceed with the purchase.

AutumnFroglets · 08/06/2024 14:13

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 08/06/2024 12:49

Tbh I reckon DP failed to make our situation clear to the broker. He mumbles, isn’t a clear person and it drives me fucking bonkers. He can’t now rush me.

Then I wouldn't get married either. Just how long do you think you are going to last with someone who cannot be clear (or pass on) information about a legal situation that you really, really NEEDED to be aware of?

Was it actually deliberate on his part or that weaponised incompetence or is he truly a dumb person and you didn't realise because of love? How long can you cope with being driven fucking bonkers?

PS - don't hand over the money. See your own solicitor and get it legally tied up in a pretty bow.

Sablecat · 08/06/2024 14:32

Look don't give him the money or marry him which is the same as giving him half. I'd talk to the broker myself. Your partner sounds a bit thick or a bit sly to me. I am paid to deal with people who are probably lying to me on a regular basis and, as a result, I am quite suspicious and, unfortunarely, almost always right. Giving him 150,000 pounds to buy a house in his name only when he isn't coming up with any cash towards the deposit would be setting off klaxons for me.

BlondeFool · 08/06/2024 14:34

He sounds extremely shady.

JuicyPears6 · 08/06/2024 14:35

I would strongly suggest that you take out a JOINT mortgage, which includes say 100k of your deposit
You keep 50k savings for yourself
Some estate agents have free financial advisors that you can speak to in person about mortgages

Then in the future if you split, the proceeds would be split 50/50 for the property

MissBridgetJones · 08/06/2024 14:39

A 10 year old CCJ shouldn't still be on record, I knew someone (close relative) that had a house repossessed and 10 years later got a mortgage- a far bigger debt than a parking ticket.

Get a better mortgage advisor

UnbeatenMum · 08/06/2024 14:42

It sounds like you haven't actually applied for a mortgage together? This would be my first step if you both want to keep the house. Use a broker if you feel your credit rating is going to be a barrier to some lenders.

EatTheGnome · 08/06/2024 14:42

Not a fucking chance. Why does all this have to happen right now? Why can't life be paused to improve your credit score, find an agreed way forward and house hunt after it's sorted? There will always be other homes.

Marry in haste, regret at leisure. Applies to buying a house or any big decision.

The decision to hand over money doesnt need to happen at all, certainly not with this pressure. It can all slow down and be done again once the finances are in order.

Epidote · 08/06/2024 14:43

There are plenty of houses of your dreams OP, you already have a roof. Give it another few years and invest that money wisely.
I wouldn't sign a thing. Too much hassle.
There are plenty of easier ways to buy a house.

Genevieva · 08/06/2024 14:44

You can overcome the credit reference agency thing and both go on the mortgage.

pikkumyy77 · 08/06/2024 14:46
Will Ferrell Crazy Pills GIF

Does this whole thread make anyone else feel like they are taking crazy pills?

Chestnuttrees · 08/06/2024 14:51

I am a mortgage broker. What credit file have you checked? Your score on the file means very little. What date was the ccj registered? How much for? What date did you clear it?

Just one ccj from 2014 and no other credit issues assuming it fits on affordability should be okay (not necessarily with every lender) but certainly a high lender. In fact they only stay in your file for 6 years so you can get it removed.

I presume your partner applied for the mortgage in his name and forgot to say exactly what he was expecting to happen. Your idea is a common idea but it cannot be done.

Which lender is he with?

No I wouldn’t gift him the equity - not a chance. If you split and you don’t get your money back, how would that impact you?

Cailin66 · 08/06/2024 14:54

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 08/06/2024 13:57

I don’t want to marry him because then he will have access to my 150k

If you don’t want to marry a man who is your partner of 8 years, with whom you’ve two children, and who is on a good salary why are you with him? And why are you buying a house with him.

Clearly getting married is the best solution. But you want to dismiss that advice.

Chestnuttrees · 08/06/2024 14:54

Or suggest joint borrower - sole proprietor? Only you on the deeds (assuming you pass score for a lender who does joint borrower sole proprietor. You can change that once it’s paid off.

gardenmusic · 08/06/2024 14:58

have I understood correctly - he would own the house (with a mortgage) you would fund the deposit - but not own a share of the house, just your ring fenced 150k?
So presuming the house will increase in value, where is your share of that equity, as you do not own the house?
In 20 years time, will you just 'own' your 150k?

BotterMon · 08/06/2024 15:00

No no no! Find another way even if it means losing out on the house.

Applesonthelawn · 08/06/2024 15:00

We did the deed of trust for a different set of reasons and I still believe it works to protect you effectively. In our case I had the mortgage and the property but gifted the share to dh equal to his contribution. We have taken advice from various lawyers over the years and it does seem to be a sound approach. But get legal advice on it.

Applesonthelawn · 08/06/2024 15:01

You can put a % share in the trust so you do share in the increase in value.

Bignanna · 08/06/2024 15:04

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 08/06/2024 12:37

OP, if you get married your £150k investment becomes a marital asset so whilst it's protected if you get married your DH could make a claim for 50% of it in any case.

This is why I wanted the joint ownership as an unmarried couple.

Having watched my mum be utterly shafted as an unmarried woman then my dad lavishing the cash on my stepmum after their split I told myself I would never end up like that

I don’t see it as unfair to DP as he earns twice as much as me - so it evens out. I have more equity, he earns twice as much. In the event of a split we would both be fine

Would it be better to be tenants in common?

User2123 · 08/06/2024 15:07

I don't understand how you got as far as one week from exchange without having this all sorted? Didn't the estate agent ask for your agreement in principle and proof of funds as soon as your offer was accepted? Why has the solicitor not picked up on this issue before now?

We are married so our situation is different, but we took out a mortgage in both our names but based only on dh's salary. We bought the property as tenants in common, specifying the proportion we each owned relative to the amount we were each contributing. Could you do something similar?

LizLooney · 08/06/2024 15:09

PinkyBlueMe · 08/06/2024 12:12

It seems your only option is a Declaration of Trust but you would HAVE to make sure it's registered at Land Registry - also make sure the solicitor who advises you and helps with this is not also acting for your DP as there's an obvious conflict.
I'd suggest seeing another mortgage broker as a CCJ from 10 years ago shouldn't be this problematic esp with a large deposit so that sounds odd. Even if you go on the mortgage you will need a declaration of trust and probably a cohabitation agreement too setting out you get credit for your deposit, who pays the mortgage, and how proceeds would be divided if you sold/separated etc.

This is the only well informed response.

godmum56 · 08/06/2024 15:14

i speak from having had (widowed now) a perfect beautiful solid trust marriage. DO NOT DO THIS. Don't be rushed into anything, don't get married just to get the house bought. Have you thought about getting yourself a credit card to get a credit score? Yes it will delay things. Take legal advice, talk to mortgage brokers, but don't hand over the cash unless you are SURE its a rock solid idea.

gardenmusic · 08/06/2024 15:15

MaryMaryVeryContrary,
Have you seen your credit file? That CCJ should be done with.
If you haven't seen it, perhaps you should.

Genevieva · 08/06/2024 15:15

Inheritance isn't always a marital asset and can be protected by a prenuptial agreement. Assuming you sort out the mortgage so you are both on it and the house is jointly owned (which should be straightforward) then I would recommend you marry so that, in the unlikely event that one of you dies, the other doesn't have to be treated as a third party, which includes everything from paying inheritance tax to not being treated as a next of kin by the bank etc.

Tripadvisornotloading · 08/06/2024 15:16

So say you get married.
you put £150k in, split up, £100k left on mortgage when you sell, you’ll be liable for half of that even though you’ve paid your ‘half’