AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

That’s my thought exactly, at least it didn’t kill someone else.

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Nobody deserves to die like this but I have no idea why people would choose this breed over all the other lovely friendly breeds! Like they want to prove a point!

As a recent first time dog owner I found it slightly disconcerting how easy it was to get a dog! I literally could have been anyone and there were absolutely no checks that I was actually going to be able to properly look after a dog and give it a decent home.

Rottweilers, Dobermans, Pitt bulls etc have all been "the most dangerous dog" at some point. It isn't because the breed is more dangerous than any other breed. It's because the size of them makes them "status" dogs. And every time a breed becomes popular, it creates a demand, which unscrupulous greedy people exploit by mass breeding inbred dogs, introducing bad genes into the gene pool, which then results in damaged dogs flooding the community. Who are often then owned by people who have no idea what they are dealing with.

@Iaskedyouthrice Completely agree re some of the comments. I may disagree with some posters on this issue, but everyone should be capable of keeping their contributions respectful when talking about a young woman losing her life in such a tragic way.

Oh good grief..a bloody Balloon release.
So utterly chavvy and sooo bad for animals/ that ingest the sodding deflated balloons. No animal lover would ever want one.

XL Bullies attract the unthinking and dim, it seems.

What is wrong with people?

I have been bitten twice by Jack Russel terriers, but they tend to nip and release- NOT do the wholesale mauling that an XL Pit-bully does.

A Jack Russell can be Yeeted off someone easily- one can pick up a JRT one handed- they are small dogs.

Good against rats and vermin- but nothing at all like an XL bully in terms of damage.

That is very bad..Assuming you didn't go through a bona fide rescue or else a breed club- both of these should {and do} seriously question a potential owner, to the extent of visiting and home checking.

Nobody deserves to die like this but I have no idea why people would choose this breed over all the other lovely friendly breeds! Like they want to prove a point!

That's exactly it. They seem to fall into two categories. They are either the scumbags who think it's cool to own the latest weapon/status dog and they get a kick out of sensing that others find their dog intimidating.

Or they are the daft, deluded sort who say 'but any dog can turn' or 'there are no bad breeds, only bad owners' and they think it's their job to get that same breed everyone sensible is shunning, just so they can prove everyone wrong. It's very bizarre when there are so many breeds out there that haven't been bred specifically for fighting or attacking, and so many breeds out there that don't feature regularly in the news for having ripped someone's throat out/arm off. But no, that's the sweet, misunderstood dog these people want and they won't be told otherwise. I imagine much like this DEAD WOMAN they also say things like 'I don't give a fuck if you think the breed should be banned, I don't give a fuck if you think my baby looks aggressive.'

I just don't know how many more of these awful stories they can read yet still keep trotting out the same old bollocks before the penny drops.

Part of the problem in banning any given breed is in determining what breed any dog is. It's going to be necessarily subjective until we have a way of identifying a few gene sequences and saying that one side of the line is an XL Bully, the other is merely an Ugly Squashed-Face Fucker (there are a lot of those).

This is not to defend these dogs or their owners, but there is scope for a bit of a slippery slope here. The UK government's "Is it an XL Bully" checklist is not simple to read or (I imagine) apply. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/official-definition-of-an-xl-bully-dog/xl-bully-conformation-standard

About 20 years ago, I took on a colleague's Shih Tzu because it kept going for her child. Fuck me, that thing was vicious when she was triggered. Colleague bought her from someone advertising in the pet section of the Telegraph. They were also selling King Charles Spaniels and Westies. Basically a puppy farm. And it was so obvious when you saw the Shih Tzu. (I loved that dog. An absolute sweetheart when she wasn't triggered.)

Aggressive small dogs generally do less damage to adults than aggressive large dogs, but the cause is the same - either bad breeding or bad training. But, unfortunately, good training will never train bad breeding out of a dog.

I'm shocked at the pit-bull type apologists on this thread.

Why would anyone want to have something in their house that could kill them. Yes my dog can turn but he's not going to be ripping my limbs off. I just have to get on the sofa and he cant get me. I know someone who has two, refers to them as her soft babies and goes on how they wouldn't hurt a fly whilst they galore at the camera with those piggy eyes.

These XLs are the result of inbreeding, that’s why they are so demented. The only safe thing to do is destroy all of them.

I had the misfortune of seeing a video of an XL attack (I immediately regretted watching it) and it was the silence of the attack that was so frightening.

Some people need protecting from themselves at the end of the day. This young woman has lost her life because she was too proud to admit the truth about these horrible dogs.

Never owned an XL bully, but I have experience of trying to walk a good-natured but very stubborn Rottweiler. There was no way I could have stopped him if he'd decided to head off and so I turned round and took him home after 5 minutes of struggling. I was completely dependent on his good will and good mood and that is not keeping a dog under control.

I love a giant dog, but they need to be kept by breed experts with adequate space and time, who can actually control them, keep them happy and properly exercised, and who both love them and understand how dangerous they can be when dysregulated or unwell.

Oh, and who won't refuse to muzzle them. I muzzled my very gentle sighthound occasionally to keep him off cats if I knew we couldn't avoid them at close quarters, and I considered that I was keeping him safe as much as the cats.

Actually yes. This is what I think. If you own a giant breed, I want to know that you have trained them very well and that you have sufficient strength and foresight *and tools and resources to prevent them from hurting someone or something even if they really want to. I don't want to hear that my kid is safe because you have faith in the dog's better nature and sense of judgement.

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Their eyes are horrid. Deep set , dead and very porcine. Cold eyes.

This horrid piggy eyes Pitbull slaughtered it's gullible well meaning kind rescuer:

I’m not being sarcastic when I say I find it interesting that you said “I think it would help if they wildly published why the breed is so dangerous.”
The Pitbull propaganda machine (a worldwide network) is fully in operation to dismiss any dangers. They have been operating for over a century before this XL breed existed. The nanny dog lie for example and if anything goes wrong it is the owner not the dog that is the problem.
Going back over a 100 years to J P Colby in American who helped creat fighting dogs, now he angered his fellow dog fighters by selling dogs to the general public rather than just keeping them for other dog fighters.When one of his dogs killed his 2 year old nephew he dismissed it as well the dog was fine with his own child.
There is a massive amount of money to be made off dangerous dogs and the only way they have existed for so long is the massive operation worldwide against BSL.
Indeed large charities and organisations in the UK such as Dogs Trust, British veterinary Association and the kennel club are all against BSL.
Interestingly they don’t put their money where their mouth is as they do not insure these dogs.

There is a difference between a bite which requires stitches and being mauled to death.Not saying about you, but it is the oft argument by those that apologise for the breed by citing “all dogs bite”.

I wasn't going to return to this thread originally, but I appreciate the thoughtful reply as opposed to the more emotion fuelled ones I've received.

Fwiw, I do understand that, but JRT's are just one example - There are many others, German Shepherds and Huskies are also listed in many articles and studies for their aggression, same with Chow Chow's.
Iirc, Dalmatians are also notoriously aggressive.

I'd also much rather be attacked by a JRT than by a German Shepherd, Husky or Chow Chow.
But that doesn't mean that I think all those other breeds should also be banned, or as some PP's have suggested here, culled completely.
By that logic any and all large dog breeds should have the same principles applied to them, which is just cruel imo.

If there's an issue with a certain genetic line as has been suggested, I'd imagine it's possible via DNA testing to trace that line back and act accordingly, not wipe out an entire breed.
Sure it may be expensive, but it can't be more expensive than just blindly culling any and all dogs who even barely fit the "type" which is vague as anything and is resulting in a lot of dogs being removed from owners who have zero XL Bully DNA in them at all.

Agree, and I read it’s closer to 90% that are descendent from KK. Some of them have multiple layers of inbreeding. They are just not safe to be around. And I’m usually of the “it’s the owner, not the dogs” attitude. But in this case it’s really different.

@IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken actually Dogs Trust do offer Third Party Liability Insurance for XL Bullys and all banned breeds.

The reason these entities campaign against the BSL so vehemently is because it is not fit for purpose. Often guidelines on identifying a banned breed aren’t sufficiently clear leading to dogs who look similar being seized from good homes and responsible owners, where they are kept in kennels under police care while they are assessed, sometimes for many months, with multiple assessments, behavioural checks etc as the cases go through court and even when the case if success for the owner, their beloved dog is returned home in horrific states of health, often malnourished and neglected and looking like their soul has been broken.

Owners of these dogs are so worried to leave the house for exercise in case they get berated and that tension is passed on to the dogs. So I’m not surprised we are not seeing more incidents as anxious owners now take nervous energy with the out the door and along the wall. Those feelings are sensed by your dog and eventually will lead to a reactive dog, which eventually will get walked less and less to avoid the barging and the aggro with others your meet. They end up stuck in home bored stiff and with energy to burn and that leads to the kind of issues we have happening now.

Personally, I feel the media have been far worse overegging and fanning the flames to demonise this breed. Sadly the PR blitzkreig has worked and even with dog owners impacted who are responsible, following the rules, and trying to give these animals some decent quality of life despite such ristrictions, they are struggling to just take their dogs for a walk without being attacked, verbally abused etc, which is not fair or acceptable.

Really? People being attacked for walking their dog? I assume there’s plenty of evidence for that?

Most owners of XL bullies don’t give a shit what other people think. This woman certainly didn’t. If they are being physically attacked and verbally assaulted it should be reported to the police.

You do realise that with dogs, large dogs that should be working physical exercise is actually secondary when looking at the mental well being and stimulation of the dog.

It’s enrichment that’s primary. Mental stimulation that can be done at home does more to reduce stress levels in dogs, which then in turn helps reactivity.

Plenty of people aren’t training these dogs. The one in Edinburgh that had a pug in its mouth, this week. Where was its muzzle?

and also where was the threshold training for the dog that came out of its home a killed the dog of someone walking past the house this week?

Training dogs is great for them physically and mentally. Even if this dog couldn’t be walked because the owners were physically attacked whenever they tried (which there’s no evidence for) it would still be trained in the home.

Even dogs with strong prey drive can be trained. And training must be a main focus for the dogs whole life, especially if you have a large strong breed.