AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

But did it kill anyone though?

The problem is by saying all dogs can bite your pushing to the side the part that not all dogs can kill easily your focusing on the attack side of things (like other posters) and "deliberately" missing the point

I can’t help but feel sorry for these dogs. What humans have done to them is grotesque. Inbreeding, intentionally breeding for aggression, studding dogs that would have been euthanised (or at the very least neutered) by any responsible breeder.

And let’s not forget their (physical) health issues…

and I just can’t get over how disingenuous the “it’s bad dog ownership, it isn’t the breed” squad are. You are the reason why some gullible owners even own these dogs. Because they believed your lies! And it absolutely is the breed:

Irresponsible dog ownership of a corgi is (also) wrong and the dog obviously deserves better. But a corgi - no matter how badly kept! - is extremely unlikely to kill or seriously injure a human! That’s because an aggressive corgi simply does not have the strength or size of an XL Bully.

an aggressive chihuahua is annoying. An aggressive XL Bully can be a death sentence!

I would support a blanket ban on private dog ownership, exception being working dogs.

Look, those who own these dogs are just the people to not think about the ramifications of owning these dogs. They simplify and defend and then the consequences are fatal. Just more thinking required I’m afraid.

So, what is your solution?
You've written the pearl-clutching thread title
You've stated your problem
What do you suggest?

All dogs can ‘snap’ and attack someone, no matter how ‘well behaved’ they are- many dog attacks come from the ‘friendly family dog.’ If an XL bully snaps, it’s almost impossible to get them to stop attacking, so yes, I’d suggest culling all of them.

I don’t agree with this. Dogs are wonderful and excellent companions and can provide company and some security for people who live alone etc. Obviously with every dog it is essential to train them and supervise them around children etc. There are lots of sweet natured, friendly breeds of dog. These aggressive XL bully dogs on the other hand should never be in a home as they are clearly aggressive and can kill people easily. Whilst I agree it needs to be regulated better , humans have kept dogs as pets for 1000s of years. There is a reason they are known as man’s best friend !

Collies have an instinct to herd, retreivers to fetch, sighthounds to chase small fast moving animals... and xl bullies to attack a target and keep attacking until the target is mauled to death. They seem to be fucked in the head and frequently decide that humans, including their own owners, are the targets to be eliminated. They don't stop, once they get going they're impervious to pain and can be half dead and still continuing the attack.

Most dogs who will snap out of fear, pain or some other understandable provocation. Their attacks look nothing like that (there's plenty of footage out there if you can stomach it). They are focussed and joyful, and go on for a long, long time. They're doing what their instincts tell them to do.

The severe and fatal attacks on humans obviously make the headlines but the amount of other dogs ripped apart by them is large and growing.
There are literally no positives to their miserable existence and mass euthanasia is the best solution.

@Bagwyllydiart I must add that in some ways I don’t blame you though when you see the way a lot of dog owners act. Letting their dogs run around freely and never picking up poo. My mother is terrified of dogs so I am very aware of other people and have my dog on a leash around other people at all times and pick up after her even when walking in the middle of nowhere. It drives me crazy the entitlement of some dog owners.

There are literally no positives to their miserable existence

Exactly. There are no positives, no advantages over any other breed of dog if you are a sane human being anyway. Everyone knows the reputation of these animals, everyone has heard the stories of attacks and maulings. If, knowing that reputation, you choose to go ahead and own/buy one of these things, on your own head be it. As I said upthread, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The issue is that your actions as an idiot who thinks they can control one of these things impacts on the rest of us.

I would not want to ban dog ownership either. That would be a tremendous loss for humanity in my personal option.

But I do believe that restricting and regulating dog ownerships is necessary.
A dog licence (akin to a driving licence), compulsory insurance, registration and mandatory classes at local dog schools should be considered a basic requirement.

It's another classic case of these niave (and thick) owners thinking it won't happen to them or they're loved ones.

Why anyone would want such an ugly looking killing machine as a pet is beyond me.

But of course as we all know lot's of these dogs are kept by undesirables carrying out undesirable things.

There's nothing deceptive about ear/tail cropping in any breed, it's despicable.

however you're right about the potential for it being a rescue. Were I to rescue a breed like this (& I wouldn't have a problem, cos like rotties & staffies etc they can be lovely dogs) I'd have a jacket for it stating it was a rescue to let others know. Much as you should have a yellow jacket for nervous dogs.

I feel very sorry for XLs; they are set up to fail from birth by the bastards who breed them. Skewed genes which predispose them to aggression, usually in the hands of people who have no business looking after a houseplant, let alone a huge, powerful animal. There’s one I see when I walk my own dog; I do usually say hello to her when I see her and she seems docile, but I wouldn’t want her in my house as I don’t know what kind of wiring she has in her brain.

However, I don’t think there’s any such thing as a ‘bad’ animal as they have no moral compass, so don’t know that it’s wrong to bite/kill. XLs are victims of the humans who bred them to be that way. I would very much like for the breed to die out to prevent more attacks and for these poor mutant dogs to stop being doomed from the start.

To me it’s the equivalent of whether it’s a good idea to keep a domesticated lion in the house. They might have been raised by humans. They might have only known love by those humans but they have a strong drive to hunt and kill and so like fuck would a wild animal be living in my house. Have some sense.

This!

Around my area, people (usually men/male teens I have to say) get a kick and a huge sense of satisfaction as well as a malign ego boost when they see you trying to avoid their dangerous, powerfully built dog. The look of self-fulfillment on their faces if you feel the need to cross over to avoid the dog (they refuse to move to the side of the pavement these people) or if a child goes behind it's parents back to avoid.

It's a nasty attitude, and while I daresay some people do find them attractive, the main reason for people to own these dogs in my experience is because they get a kick out of intimidating others and can look all 'hard man'.

Yes!

Genetics will out. I own gundogs.....they retrieve and carry stuff round and have a tendency to guard those things. It's in their genes. I can manage those tendencies and train them and I know through years of careful breeding what their temperament etc is likely to be.

These things are genetically mutated monsters. The poor, poor dogs cannot help their genes but they absolutely are akin to keeping a lion in your house and telling everyone it's just a big ole pussycat.

Yes It’s Third party with Dogs Trust and that only came into operation once the ban had been announced as part of the conditions laid out by the government for owning the breed.
The idea that BSL is not fit for purpose is because it is not regulated enough.Its all right having a law but it needs to be upheld.XL bullies have pit bulls in them so should not even be allowed in the first place as pit bulls are already banned.
One can understand why it isn’t clear about a dog being a particular breed or in this case type as it is a mash up of various different dogs by the back street breeders.
The ones being seized now are not coming from good homes and responsible owners, they are the ones that have not complied with the rules or there has already been an incident.
There is all this talk of deed not breed and yet when the deed is committed you have the likes of Saved Out Seized Dogs putting out fund raisers to argue that the dog should not be pts.You can’t have it both ways.
You say owners are worried to leave the house.That is nothing compared to all the dog owners that are terrified of coming across the breed and there have been too many dogs ripped about by these dogs.
That is another point you are making that is exactly like all breed apologists make.That it is the media that is making something out of nothing.Not so.There are many many posts all over social media about people’s pets that have been ripped apart by these dogs.Some survive some don’t.
You say responsible owners are being attacked..since when and verbally abused, more likely as we have seen that owners of other dogs or anyone else will cross the road to avoid.Im afraid if you think that is not fair or acceptable then you ought to look at the horror those owners have gone through who have spent the last 10 minutes of their dogs life seeing it being ripped apart by XL bullies.

A MC privilege to own a dog is ridiculous. I say this as a MC dog owner.

Half the middle class people i know who own a dog barely train them and seem unconcerned by their terrible behaviour. I include one of my siblings in this group! Their dog has bitten mine twice, and has bitten lots of people, including my niblings. It's only not been put down because it's so small.

The ownership of XL bullies is a class thing sure, but training or not training of dogs certainly isn't.

When I said appearances can be deceptive I meant just because they don’t have the ears and tail docked it doesn’t automatically mean they are a good dog owner.

Oh right yes of course! Completely & utterly agree

I actually think the laws will lead to more owner attacks that might not have happened otherwise, while preventing others.

It's now really hard to exercise the dogs enough to keep them calm and happy, they don't get to be off lead or unmuzzled so their natural instinct to run and play are being curbed to their frustration. I worry this means XL bullies are now being kept in conditions which make them more dangerous to owners who comply with the law. My dog is a tit when he's not exercised enough too, but he's not got that genetic history of aggression that XL bullies do.

Private fields can be hired for XL bully owners.
Sadly the idea of run and play with this breed sometimes leads to chase and maul.There have been too many horrific instances of XL’s off lead unmuzzled that have gone on to kill other pets.
It is down to the owners to do all they can to keep their pet stimulated as it was their choice to have this breed.
It is what it is, the important thing being no innocent person or animal is injured or killed.

dogs don’t need to be off lead to enjoy a walk or to get the mental stimulation from the walk.

Mental stimulation is far more important than physical stimulation when it comes to improving behaviour of dogs. And dogs can get lots of mental stimulation at home.

and why can’t they walk them? They can play, unmuzzled at home and in their garden with their owners.

It is in their nature to be vicious, just like it’s in the nature of a Retriever to retrieve.