AGAIN! Something must be done

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Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

How are people still breeding from these things? Don't they have to be neutered?

The woman I said about bred hers in 2022, before the ban, but I've no doubt there's plenty around that are owned by people that didn't register or neuter their dogs because a huge proportion of owners of these types of dogs don't give a shit about the law

They do just flaunt the law don't they? There's no one to enforce it I suppose. What a joke it all is.

People need to take responsibility for their dogs full stop, no matter what the breed or size.

I was walking mine (large breed, although not a bull breed) earlier when I came across a young dog I have met several times before and she has always been fine. She has played with my dog off lead in the field and everything was good. But now because there is a woman with several untrained aggressive small dogs which have a go at everything they see as a pack (you can hear them from across the village when they see another dog) she has now become reactive herself.

My dog is very good with others - to the point where she and I were placed strategically opposite reactive dogs at obedience classes as the trainer knew that mine was placid and not only wouldn’t react aggressively if the dog opposite started going off on one but also wouldn’t be offended by it either. So I spent a while with the owner of the young dog so he could practice meeting other dogs with her and rewarding her for making good choices. He is taking her to training classes too.

On the way back home I ran into the lady with the small aggressive dogs. It was utter chaos. She has never spoken to anyone (even if spoken to) or apologised for their behaviour. One day she will run into the wrong dog coming the other way and hers will be badly hurt.

You know who wrote that shite “died doing what he loved.”
That Dendle woman of Saved Our Seized Dogs.

I can’t tell you how many attacks are being done by this breed.Its not just humans that are being injured but other pets and their owners.Some pets are lucky and survive others are mauled to death.These attacks don’t even usually hit the papers but are on social media.
Glad there were witnesses to your friend’s attack and the front of the owner trying to blame your friend’s dog.

But now it is against the law as not muzzled so why aren’t police taking it seriously.

I never said dogs, and people were the same!!! People were saying that kids know right from wrong. Which makes them better than dogs. So why walk up to total strangers, and kill them? I managed to not behave like that at 12 so what happened?

Are you perhaps on the wrong thread?
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That is a completely different issue and not relevant to the present discussion @dawngreen.

Ah this incident was from late last year, before the ban came in to force. She now has the dog muzzled in public (despite saying otherwise, she is clearly worried about repurcussions).

But is it muzzled in her house when people visit? I doubt it. And it's an aggressive dog that has proved itself capable of switching unpredictably and not responding straight away to its owner's attempts to restrain it.

This is where the whole thing doesn't add up.

The muzzling law doesn't add up to public safety, you're right. T my knowledge, all the people who have been killed by Bullys since the ban came into effect have been killed in people's homes where there's no requirement to muzzle or restrain.

There are unfortunately people of all ages that commit evil acts. No-one is denying that. We all remember Jamie Bulgers killers for example. But neither them nor the two 12 year olds are not what this thread is about at all and has no relevance to the discussion.

HTH.

If a dog is trained properly it should know a command to stop/ leave if its doing something wrong straight away or have a muzzle at all times if it's so vicious. I did say though in my first comment that any dog can turn in a flash so majority of people wouldn't think to have a muzzle on their dog but should be in control.
My point about those 2 children Is just about teaching and parents being in control same way owners of dogs , If the parents of those children were with them it wouldn't have happened, they would have stopped those children from doing what they did and I don't think they could possibly have taught those children morals or those children wouldn't have done what they did , basically Teaching and training are about Being Responsible!!! Quite aware dogs and children are not literally same

But if dogs have had years of breeding to behave a certain way that's what makes it harder to stop them doing the things they were bred for.
If a dog bred for fighting would just stop by being told stop it wouldn't be much use as a fighting dog. Fighting dogs are bred specifically to NOT stop no matter what. The same way telling a whippet just to "stop" when it starts chasing is going to be incredibly hard to stop once those instincts kick in. My friend has a whippet. He's the best behaved dog. So well trained. Until he sees a rabbit or something. Then all training seems to disappear from his head.

Also: what if the dog owner hasn't trained the dog properly, AND it's been bred to fight to the death, AND the owner hasn't got it muzzled, AND the owner has no understanding that it is so inbred that it can turn in a second, for no apparent reason, AND it's a massive, powerful, muscular beast that can easily kill grown men??
Seems like a potentially dangerous situation to me 🤔

Ffs

You say you know they are not the same, but you don’t actually understand the difference do you.

A dog isn’t allowed to go out alone. A 12 year old is.

At no age is it appropriate to let your dog walk into town to meet up with its dog friends.

Parents are under no obligation to supervise their 12 year olds at all times. Nor is it healthy. As a parents job is to prepare them for adult hood.

A dog owner is never preparing their dog to go live an independent life.

People and animals are completely different and brought up very differently. Hopefully.

We have a justice system to address people who break the law. Anyone who thinks tax payers should pay for the same justice system for dogs is delusional. Dog prisons? Let’s sentence the dogs to prison? So they live out their life in a kennel, with a small amount of isolated exercise?

The fact that 2 children murdered someone, is entirely irrelevant to what we are discussing. People and dogs are not comparable. And I say that as someone who adore her 3 dogs.

It appears you are saying you can train dogs and kids and they can still act in bad ways? I don’t get how that helps your point.

Loads of people got attacked by sharks this week. Is that relevant?

I get the impression that you and @dawngreen are either trying to derail the thread. Or have simply realised your arguments don’t make sense so grasping at straws.

What's this about 12 year olds killing somebody? :-S

I strongly suspect that the poster you are quoting has posted on the wrong thread.

I am not so sure. That poster has brought up the kids multiple times and also discussed these dogs in those posts.

Dog owners are the ones to teach their dogs the right way to handle every day things. And the parents teach their children the right way to handle every day things. So what part of that is hard for you to understand? The methods of teaching are different because ofc dogs are not the same as kids. I am not reading all the posts again, but some one mentioned kids which made me post. You can get bad owners , and bad parents. I just see a repeat of banning breeds until the next breed bites, and ppl still have these breeds, and back streets are happy to sell them.

And how is it relevant that some people commit crime?

It’s not. Because that’s not what we are talking about.

Dogs are not people.

My point about those 2 children Is just about teaching and parents being in control same way owners of dogs , If the parents of those children were with them it wouldn't have happened, they would have stopped those children from doing what they did and I don't think they could possibly have taught those children morals or those children wouldn't have done what they did , basically Teaching and training are about Being Responsible!!! Quite aware dogs and children are not literally same. Being Responsible applies to both dog owners, and parents.

Logic is flawed @dawngreen. Go back to Burger killers, both came from broken homes and had brutal childhoods. But once their time was done Thompson is now living in society and keeping a low profile, Venables had his parole denied last year as he is still dangerous and a threat to children. Probably always will be as that is in his nature. This is key - it is in the nature of a collie to herd, golden's retrieve, shepherds & poodles, which were once a highly vicious hunting dog guard and protect etc.

But at the base of all dogs is a hunting instinct which leads to surprise attacks - think of the seal on the Thames mauled by a random mixed breed dog (owned by a QC!) which took 4 people to get the dog off. The constant attacks on swans, other dogs and pets and farming livestock - they all count but are not generally recognised or reported as they are not people but the hunting behaviour is the same.