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Is this colder than most ‘junes’? So miserable

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Juga · 07/06/2024 07:35

No money to go abroad. No money to put heating on. Struggling to afford indoor activities for dd and just wanted some time outdoors in the sun. It feels like this is the coldest June I can remember? I also don’t get how this fits with global warming… though I expect I am missing how that works? Just so fed up of being cold, for literally nearly a year now!

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echt · 08/06/2024 05:20

Juga · 07/06/2024 07:35

No money to go abroad. No money to put heating on. Struggling to afford indoor activities for dd and just wanted some time outdoors in the sun. It feels like this is the coldest June I can remember? I also don’t get how this fits with global warming… though I expect I am missing how that works? Just so fed up of being cold, for literally nearly a year now!

Global warming doesn't mean everywhere gets sunnier, rather that as consequence of raised global temperatures current conditions are more likely or disrupted and/or extreme.

Restinpeacefavouritecoathanger · 08/06/2024 05:59

Definitely so, it's my birthday in the next couple of days and every other year recently I've been hot and baking I am definitely a autumn/winter person to be honest I dont enjoy it too hot I find it hard to motivate myself in that weather but it's definitely a lot cooler than normal.

mydogisthebest · 08/06/2024 06:29

Chocolateorange22 · 07/06/2024 21:51

Nope I've been in shorts for the past two weeks

In the Midlands

You are obviously not in East Midlands because we have had shit weather and are still having shit weather

Willmafrockfit · 08/06/2024 06:47

the mud has dried up/is drying up, so i can take a walk, still wearing walking boots but getting more tempted to abandon in favour of trainers, the fields with buttercups and other wild flowers are glorious, but the heat from the sun is tempered by the colder wind

Michiru · 08/06/2024 07:31

Highs of 16 degrees here this weekend.

I'm cold. I get very crabby when I'm cold.

I keep glancing at the thermostat thinking surely it can't still feel cold enough to want the heating on in June.

I'm really hoping for some real summer weather soon, but the forecast until the third week in June is still much of the same with yet more rain.

Noseyoldcow · 08/06/2024 08:29

Yes, it's cool for June, we had a very wet autumn, winter and spring, and it seems that the sun didn't even show its face at all until late May. But it's not actually raining, well not right now anyway, so I'll take that thanks.
The very wet and unusually cold spring is going to be a challenge for farmers, and harvests will surely be down. Just watch prices go up again....

StuffandFluff · 08/06/2024 08:37

@Sharptonguedwoman

As promised yesterday, here are some further details of some useful academic sources that help give some perspective to the current anthropogenic climate catastrophe narrative.
I have recently read three publications, written by academics that pull together a great deal of the peer-reviewed scientific research on this topic:

1. Dr Judith Curry ‘Climate Uncertainty and Risk: Rethinking Our Response’.
A review of her book by Michael Kelly (Emeritus Prince Philip Professor of
Technology, University of Cambridge) supports it being an intellectually robust
assessment: "With climate models running too hot by a factor of 2 for 30
years, with everything that used to be called a weather event now a portent of
climate change, and with billions being invested against this as opposed to
other more pressing world needs, Judith A. Curry provides us with a much-needed and convincing rethink." She has taken part in plenty of online interviews/discussions - for example:

2. John A. Kington ‘Climate and Weather’
This is a* *survey of the climate history of the British Isles over the last 2000 years that “puts our present experience of weather into striking perspective”.

3. Dr Steven Koon ‘Unsettled - what climate science tells us, what it doesn’t and why it matters’
Again, Koonin has given plenty of overviews of his academic position online - for
example:
https://www.google.com/search?q=steve+koonin&sca_esv=b809e87fd372fe48&sca_upv=1&tbm=vid&prmd=nivmbtz&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVmfbbpMuGAxWFT0EAHfvOB8YQpwV6BAgBEBI&biw=1920&bih=912&dpr=1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:a6f98766,vid:acyErLNL7kQ,st:0
However, with respect to Dr Koonin’s work, it is worth noting that if you
Google him, the results, in typical fashion, are biased to first return those
that are aimed to discredit him. So, it is useful to keep in mind his scientific credentials: he served as Undersecretary for Science in the US Department of Energy under President Obama; he has more than 200 peer-reviewed papers (in the fields of physics, scientific computation, energy technology and policy and climate science); he was a professor of theoretical physics at Caltech for thirty years and is now a professor at New York University. One of the principal critical reviews of his book was published in Scientific American. Despite the fact that Koonin was quick to publish an unequivocal rebuttal of the critical Scientific American piece (https://steven-koonin.medium.com/my-response-to-a-scientific-american-hit-piece-7b5811141137),the original flawed review still comes close to the top of any internet search for Koonin. Interestingly, Koonin had the opportunity to directly challenge a co-author of the Scientific American review. This features towards the end of a debate recorded between Koonin and one of the climate scientists whose name was listed amongst the article’s contributors. This academic was completely unable to defend the criticism -indeed, initially he tried to deny having contributed (until he was shown his name in the list of contributing academics!) … skip to the closing comments (at 1 hour 25 minutes) for the relevant exchange, if you don’t want to watch the entire debate:

As Dr Koonin states in the above debate, the critical review in no way reflects the actual content of his academic work, but Scientific American has refused to publish his rebuttal. In reality, Koonin’s position is extremely difficult to criticise because he only draws upon the actual scientific, peer-reviewed data that informs the main body of the IPCC's official reports. However, he notes that there is a significant disconnect between the science contained within the main body of successive IPCC reports and the summary documents that are subsequently released for the media and policy-makers (which tend not to accurately reflect the scientific findings).

Perhaps what we have most to fear is the fact that the climate narrative is being massively spun to serve a political agenda that is out of control, and now has the backing of an eco-industrial complex that is worth billions!

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BigDahliaFan · 08/06/2024 08:41

Was really regretting having taken the electric blanket off the bed, had the fire on last night and the heating clicked on this morning. NW.

Juga · 08/06/2024 09:09

It’s 11 degrees, very windy and raining today. Another lovely weekend!

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balkanscot · 08/06/2024 09:17

In Edinburgh we had one gloriously sunny & warm mid-May weekend, and ever since then it has been absolutely shite. So fecking windy and one moment blazing sunshine, followed swiftly by torrential downpours. So, no chance in hell to be wearing Summer clothes/footwear. And it is freezing. Last night I had to dig around for my thickest cardigan and snood, my feet were 2 blocks of 🧊, seriously tempted to bring my parka around. PARKA! IN FECKING JUNE! 😭

Current temperature: 10. Feels like: 7. Booked a 2 week stay on Lewis in the first 2 weeks of July. Glorious beaches around, they say. 🧊🧊🧊🧊🥶🥶🥶 💧💧💧 I say.

RampantIvy · 08/06/2024 09:22

10 degress and rain here. Glad I cut the grass yesterday.

Garlicker · 08/06/2024 09:22

Apparently the 8th of June was very cold in 1985!

You're not wrong. @Juga. May (where I live) was much wetter and less sunny than the historical average.

Is this colder than most ‘junes’? So miserable
Is this colder than most ‘junes’? So miserable
RampantIvy · 08/06/2024 09:28

Which site did you get those stats from @Garlicker?

Garlicker · 08/06/2024 09:32

RampantIvy · 08/06/2024 09:28

Which site did you get those stats from @Garlicker?

Just the Windows weather app.

Teateaandmoretea · 08/06/2024 09:44

VoteForBunnies · 07/06/2024 07:49

It's actually been the warmest Spring on record, apparently mostly due to overnight temperatures. I wouldn't have believed that as it's seemed so miserable, but the climate is changing. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jun/03/may-spring-warmest-record-uk-met-office

This is properly picking their statistics to make the point they want to.

Very specifically it has been warm in the north and very early spring was mild/ frost free. Okay.

That said I think the weathers been pretty average, just a bit wet. It’s perfectly normal to have temperatures in the teens in the summer, even in the south.

It’s not bikini weather today but central heating oh come on.

We’ll have a heat wave in a few weeks just before the school holidays I promise.

Jifmicroliquid · 08/06/2024 09:49

Wet, windy and grey. Pretty much every day.
Sick of it.

mondaytosunday · 08/06/2024 09:53

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen it's a misconception that global warming means warmer summers everywhere - it means more disruptive and stormy weather which has been evidenced.
It was one of the warmest Mays on record but it certainly didn't feel like it, partly because of the rain. June hasn't been too bad so far here in London though.

CriticalThinker · 08/06/2024 10:25

It’s climate change. Often people think it’s just about “warming” but the disrupted weather and increased rain/humidity is a result of global temperatures rising. It’s going to become increasingly common to have weather like this. Read the IPCC reports.

LuckySantangelo35 · 08/06/2024 10:41

Fuck jumpers . Who wants to be wearing jumpers in JUNE?!?

Springchickenonion · 08/06/2024 10:46

South East. It keeps raining which is why it feels so cold. My wj ter jacket has been on and off. I have my fluffy PJs at night still as does Dh and kids. It's a depressing feeling. But we would all be complaining if it was too hot too.

StuffandFluff · 08/06/2024 10:48

mondaytosunday · 08/06/2024 09:53

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen it's a misconception that global warming means warmer summers everywhere - it means more disruptive and stormy weather which has been evidenced.
It was one of the warmest Mays on record but it certainly didn't feel like it, partly because of the rain. June hasn't been too bad so far here in London though.

It could also be a misconception that 'global warming' (now rebranded as 'climate change') can be controlled by simply dialling down carbon dioxide emissions - as people are generally being led to believe in the pursuit of 'net zero'. The climatic system is far more complicated than that - and we are far from having sufficient grasp of the feedback loops and contribution of natural drivers to make such absolutist pronouncements. Regardless of the extent to which anthropogenic C02 alone may influence temperature, it is unlikely that our efforts will reduce the levels of extreme weather events - but we will probably do irrevocable damage to our energy infrastructure and economy in the process, increasing our vulnerability to any number of negative external shocks (whether related to weather, international conflict, natural disasters, disease...it is a long list!).

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Laserwho · 08/06/2024 10:50

I'm pleased my child's not sitting his GCSEs in the hear, or worse a heatwave. So I for one am great full for the cooler weather

RampantIvy · 08/06/2024 11:26

But we would all be complaining if it was too hot too.

Only mumsnetters.
I don't know anyone in real life who hates hot weather. I love it.

JasonTindallsTan · 08/06/2024 11:47

Springchickenonion · 08/06/2024 10:46

South East. It keeps raining which is why it feels so cold. My wj ter jacket has been on and off. I have my fluffy PJs at night still as does Dh and kids. It's a depressing feeling. But we would all be complaining if it was too hot too.

Nope. I revel in the hot weather as I know it never lasts so I get really cross at the complainers.

Laserwho · 08/06/2024 12:06

JasonTindallsTan · 08/06/2024 11:47

Nope. I revel in the hot weather as I know it never lasts so I get really cross at the complainers.

The hot weather badly affects my health, get cross all you want I'm still going to complain about it.