To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

[Manhere2024]

Man here. I just tried to fill in a form sent out by a charity, but one of the questions was:

“Is your gender identity the same as the gender you were assigned at birth?”

I tried ignoring it, but it’s not possible to submit the form without answering this question.

So I emailed them saying that I don’t believe in gender identity theory, & it’s discriminatory for them not to give an option for those of us who are gender critical. I have asked if they can change the form, or handle my registration in another way.

I think they’ll be surprised, and perhaps I’ve embarrassed myself. But I won’t go along with something I consider to be harmful and wrong.

AIBU? What will likely happen next?

So the question should start with
Do you have a gender identity?
Yes?
no?
If no skip the next question.

But that is only if you believe in gender identity and gender stereotypes.

No it wouldn't

Your sex would matter in a clinical setting.

When I went in for a hysterectomy they didn't ask what "gender" was assigned at birth. I am a woman. That's my sex. If I wasn't I wouldn't be there for that surgery!

I and others commenting here do not have a gender identity, some were not "assigned" one at birth (there were only gender critical people present at my birth, although the term wasn't in use back then) so answering yes would be a lie.

Arguably, we're all assigned genders all the time in interactions with others, because socially-constructed preconceptions are ubiquitous and projected onto us all the time, but this does not necessitate our own, personal identification with them, nor with any of our choosing (as required by the charity form in question).

What do you mean by "queer"? Asking for my friends who are, like me, lesbian or gay.

Why would someone who doesn't believe in gender identity call themselves a man?

Because "man" is a sexed term.

That a group has co-opted a term does not make it correct.

I think @Begaydocrime94 is trying to be cool and “Gen z”

Man and woman are the words for adult humans based on their sex. They have nothing to do with gender.
The same as stag and doe for deers.

This pisses me off too OP. They will probably come back to you and say its inclusive but many of us think its not inclusive at all.

"Man" is not a sex. It is a gendered term because it applied to people of one particular sex.

So if the term is applied to people of one particular sex, then women can't be men. So by your own definition trans man is a term for something that cannot exist.

The issue becomes changing the meaning of terms to suit an agenda.

Right. And what? That's not my argument. The OP can't be a man and not have a gender. So which is it?

Or is this just another dog whistle thread maybe.

Oh my actual god 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You literally started your post with 'man here'. Man is not a sex, it is your gender. So if you have XY chromosomes then you tick yes, if not you tick no. Simple. Why do so many people have to be so difficult, it's a bloody tick box.

Because gender is a set of socially constructed stereotypes and assumptions imposed on people because of their sex

Those that believe in gender identity seem to believe in stereotypes. Hence the "I feel like a female/male" statements.
Not one has been able to define what this means other than they like stereotypical male/female things.
Those of us that do not believe in gender identity/stereotypes (IMO) believe that male/females are not constrained in this way.

The change in the term gender by the gender identity lobby is where the issue is.

People who have not changed their legal gender are the majority. There should be an opt in gender question for those who need it.

The questionnaire in the OP goes against data protection, because it collects data on people that isn't needed.

It's more like asking "are you still Christian" when you've always been an atheist.

I understand you're making this a trans debate. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the OP's contradictory words of saying they are a man, but that they don't have a gender. The term "man" is gendered to mean adult human male. People who don't identify with a gender tick "other". They don't come on MN and say, "Man here."

Society is ordered around sex, not an internal gender identity.
You don't get to tell other people they have a gender identity. Its not compulsory to believe.

Female and male are biological sexes. Woman and man are the terms for adult human females and males.

I'm not making this a trans debate. It is a trans debate.

If those writing the questionnaire wish to be inclusive, then that is fine by me but only if they are inclusive to everybody and that includes those of us that do not believe in the forced definition of gender or gender identity.

Female and male are biological sexes. Woman and man are the terms for adult human females and males.

This. I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand. You can't have a gender if you don't believe in the concept of gender.

Define gender @HollyKnight

Gendered terms, yes.

Animals don't have genders for each other. They just know that there are males and females. It is humans who gender them bitch/dog, doe/buck, sow/boar etc. These are made up terms applied to particular groups. Like boy/girl man/woman.

Apologies for quoting myself.

But I would have the same issue if the questionnaire asked if you were a
cis man/woman

It forces you to accept a gender identity.