To complain about “gender identity” question on a registration form

[Manhere2024]

Man here. I just tried to fill in a form sent out by a charity, but one of the questions was:

“Is your gender identity the same as the gender you were assigned at birth?”

I tried ignoring it, but it’s not possible to submit the form without answering this question.

So I emailed them saying that I don’t believe in gender identity theory, & it’s discriminatory for them not to give an option for those of us who are gender critical. I have asked if they can change the form, or handle my registration in another way.

I think they’ll be surprised, and perhaps I’ve embarrassed myself. But I won’t go along with something I consider to be harmful and wrong.

AIBU? What will likely happen next?

While I’m not particularly bothered about the transgender plight, I also think people need to realise that private companies or organisations do not exist to serve them. They exist to either make money or provide a service to their aim. You do not need to subscribe to their ethos, but you also are not entitled to dictate or influence their ethos.

And I can live with myself because I’ve never tried to make the trans people in my life uncomfortable, or scared, or humiliated, or in any was ‘less’.

But if they make women uncomfortable by accessing their same sex spaces, that's okay is it?

Does this also apply in the example of a PP, that a male deer is a stag? Is that only if they have a gender identity? How are we asking the deer whether they identify as a stag or a doe? Can a male deer be a doe? Are we saying that all living creatures have a gender identity (or just the ones we have assigned different names for the male and female? And which language do we use as a point of reference, because they will all do this differently).

I am female. I am a woman. I don’t feel female or feel like a woman. If you described my personality and looks without mentioning a sex, you’d probably guess I was a man because I align more closely with that gender stereotype. So I probably feel like a man (if I had to pick one). But I’m not. I’m female. I’m a woman.

You're being picky. If a form asked me do I follow the same religion as I've always followed I'd answer yes. I follow no religion and I never have, so my answer would be yes.

No no no. This is not true in the slightest.

I don't have a gender identity. I just am.

You're being picky. If a form asked me do I follow the same religion as I've always followed I'd answer yes. I follow no religion and I never have, so my answer would be yes.

That makes no sense.

I don't think that's true. There are laws about inclusion.

Its not being picky, your answer makes no sense

so if someone asked you to your face the same question you would say yes?

you wouldn’t say….no i don’t follow a religion

Ah I see, yes, the people exist, just not the trans?

Tricky one. I'd say they're clearly crossing from one idea of gender to another, or a mix (everyone surely presents a mix), though whose idea of gender it is I don't know, probably a mix of stereotypes and conventions.

I'd agree they don't change sex, but that's an entirely different question.

Where did I say asked to my face? I am talking about a form, the answer would be yes. You are just complicating it for the sake of it.

The Equality Act does not extend to a charity registration form.

What laws?

Do you mean the protected characteristics? To protect against discrimination?

Neither of which [Gender or Gender Identity] are on there.

Where did I say asked to my face? I am talking about a form, the answer would be yes. You are just complicating it for the sake of it

its a question i am asking. If someone asked you to your face etc etc

your original post makes no sense…i know you think it does.

answering yes to the question…

‘do you follow the same religion you were brought up in’ means that you were brought up with a religion

answering no to that same question….means that you were brought up with a religion

Gender stereotypes are a fact. They aren't a matter of belief.

Let me put it a better way Gender identity is the belief that gender stereotypes are immutable and that each sex must conform to them.

So how do you explain trans people then 🙄.

OP. Surely there’s a “prefer not to say” box. Just tick that.

Say what now? "Man" is not a sex? Since when?

Trans people can barely explain what being trans means, why do you think that the rest of us have a chance?

That would be completely unhelpful to the people analysing the data. What people want to know is whether you are trans or not, not what your ideological beliefs about gender are 🙄

it means someone whose gender is diff from their sex registered at birth , hence the question on the form.

Or rather, isn't it that gender stereotypes are immutable and that any member of either sex who doesn't conform to them is magically not actually part of that category any more, and that by conforming to the stereottpes of the opposite sex one can thereby gain membership of it because the sex is defined by the stereotypes.

But if you answer, "I don't believe in gender identity" you are surely not trans. So only, "Do you have a gender identity - yes", combined with "is it the same as your sex recorded at birth - no" would be classified as trans. And then everyone answering the questions would be happy. Or are there trans people who don't believe in gender identity?

The charity is trying to help people (presumably).

I would not get into it with them over this issue. Tick a box and move on.

What's all this about "Oooh, you said "man" that's your gender identity, so just tick yes/no"

Is it supposed to be some sort of "gotcha" to the OP ?????

"Man" isn't a gender identity - it's the word we use for an adult, male human. We've used it in this way for hundreds of years. It's what it was developed for when we developed language - we are mammals, it's a very basic thing to need words to distinguish male from female sex.

That would depend on which trans person that you ask, it also doesn't include many of those under the trans umbrella.