DP called me a middle class racist

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Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

I’m utterly staggered that anyone is considering voting Tory, in the present climate.

This.

Even if you’re a Conservative voter, just don’t. Don’t want to vote Labour? Vote Reform. The Conservatives don’t deserve your vote.

Yeah I don’t get ‘border security’. In fairness I haven’t checked whether there’s any detail on that. I also will admit I’ve waded into this without any stats - I have no idea how many people are crossing in trucks and ferries which Im going to go ahead and assume is what they mean by ‘border’. Is it enough people that it needs to be a key topic in the election? It smells more to me like it’s been sold in as one, but I’m willing to be proved wrong.

It just gets more complicated
16million disabled includes 11% children and 45% pensioners leaving 7,040,000 ( some of whom work or can work but are economically inactive either way )
[ 1,350,000 are stay at home parents which could still work ( child age, disability etc dependent ) so still economically inactive, with some able to work. ]

once we start dissecting the numbers as you can see with the disability figures the 16million disabled is far less. @7,040,000 hence increasing your figure.

Whether the figure already takes account of the severely disabled, I have no idea.
However if we look at
7,040,000 dis + 1,340,000 sah + your figure 2,800,000 = 11,180,000 economically inactive ( over the 9.2 so lets assume the dis figure accounts for severely disabled, or sah accounts for carers ? we don’t know. )

So Let’s say
half @3,500,000 dis + 1,340,000 sah + your figure of 2,800,000 = 7.64million economically inactive
and so on and so on.

Without the disabled figures et all it’s impossible to say with real accuracy.
It is however, very high and well over 2.8million

And yet private schooling in many countries is not controversial at all. Why we have such a problem is unusual.
Some countries give parents the state funds to chose where they spend it.
They can give it to a state school or a private so still using state funding, topping it up with parents money for private and yet this is not controversial.
Perhaps we need to level the playing field in that way giving more people the choice, rather than reducing choice which will make privates more elite and ( I’m guessing) even more hated in this country as a result.

forgot to tag @BarHumbugs

Actually there vast majority of immigrants come here legally, and not in small boats across the channel. So they have more in common with your grandparents than you might like to claim.

FWIW you come across as a selfish person. I'm with your DP.

I’m not sure who I’m going to vote for, but every time I think it won’t be the Tories because we don’t need another 14 years of chaos, I look at Wales, where education and medical care are appalling, and then I think that I don’t want to vote Labour either. And that’s without gender identity politics, which also matter to me :(

Whether it’s too high or too low currently will depend on each person. Going higher might be a problematic. It really doesn’t take much for strain - look at Ireland

Whether it’s a GE issue here, probably not for many looking at these threads. It doesn’t resolve it though just hoping it’s sorted

Oth it’s an election issue for other countries if not ours and as they react that’s where comparative ease comes in

Isn’t Reform just UKIP in a different dress?

I wouldn’t vote for them either.

That’s what I mean though - what numbers are we currently on? Is this even a concern? I guess I’ll have to look it up, lazy sod that I am.

in general, I think pretending the rest of the world doesn’t exist and that the west can continue getting richer at their expense is potentially, hopefully, on its way out. Question is as someone who has benefitted massively from that, how to approach it. The ‘draw up the drawbridge’ approach, I do understand it and it’s what seems to have started this thread. But I don’t think it’s right.

Yes lets all vote tories that will be another great reason for them to have one of there famous wine and cheese parties and they wont need to woory about paying for it they can use all the money they take from cutting all the disabled benifits there cutting.

I'm GC but considering what the Tory govt have done to migrants refugees and anyone who is not a millionaire I don't think it's that ridiculous an accusation...

Most of the worst TRA stuff happened under Tory watch. They are absolutely not better they are just more strategic.

And on women in general Tories are the most sexist part. They tried to cancel telemedical abortion! Austerity has harmed women the most. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/09/women-bearing-86-of-austerity-burden-labour-research-reveals

Yes it sounds like your husband is right, you are a racist.

From reading the numerous posts on this thread I deduce:
A) There really is a loony Left and it is very much present.
B) People who say you must / must not vote a particular way have severe bias.
C) We all view the world through our own lens. Your truth is not my truth and it never will be.
D) Failure of education is evident by the poor spelling.

This.

Some previous responses to your first paragraph

Sorry @Prouddoggieparent I tagged the wrong MN

I was supposed to tag @coastalhawk

He's right though isn't he? Maybe he'll LTB and do you a favour.

Ukrainians were invited here. They didn't jump on lorries in Dover while threatening drivers, they didn't pay smugglers to get them across the channel from safe country. As far as I can see, they also integrate very well into society.

It's very easy to play empathy card. And of course anyone with a bit of conscience would have compassion towards displaced people and understanding we have some responsibility to help those who are genuine.
However, government should not sacrifice its own people and destroy their own country in a process. Not to mention fueling criminal gangs as a side effect.

And in a long run, accepting boats into UK is not in best interest of refugees either. Many come here with no understanding of the realities because they are being sold false narrative by the smugglers, many lose their lives on the sea and more will if nothing is done about it.

Another difference between boats and Ukraine is the fact that boats will never end until they are stopped. There will always be never ending conflicts and difficulties on other continents. Billions of people. Shell we just take them all on a little over populated island?
Doesn't it make more sense to open legal way of asylum seeking for those who need it the most and often can't afford smugglers?

You taking such an offence to his comment suggests that you do have some discriminatory, biased views that don’t sit right with yourself.
Most people know that Tories are left wing and closer to racist middle class ideologies.
lighten up

I'm voting for the best candidate for my constituency. I think whoever gets in at a national level will be dreadful either way.

Making such a massive assumption based on a microscopic fragment of someone's opinions is a form of prejudice. Only very popular and acceptable one.
But as someone who is very prejudiced and intolerant yourself you really are not authority on diagnosing OP as racist.

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