DP called me a middle class racist

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Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

MrsSunshine2b
If you want immigration but with checks and balances, vote Labour.

How come the Home Office under Labour 'found' 450,000 outstanding asylum cases hidden in the basement in 2006? (Most of the cases related to the early 2000s.)

19 July 2006

The 450,000 failed asylum seekers still in Britain

Home Secretary John Reid was plunged into another crisis as it emerged official figures have vastly underestimated the number still in the UK despite having their cases turned down.

Home Office officials had previously vigorously disputed National Audit Office estimates of 285,000 failed asylum seekers living in the UK. They put the figure at 235,000.

But a trawl through the mountain of boxes piled up in the IND yesterday revealed as many as 450,000 cases.

The cases were subsequently 'set aside' so they didn't count in the stats;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-396443/The-450-000-failed-asylum-seekers-Britain.html

Also Kemi Badenoch is hugely popular with grass roots Tories and would have won I think had it gone to membership votes. The racist thing is just ludicrous.

Edited to apologise - just seen your recent post saying the same thing.

MrsSunshine2b
If you want immigration but with checks and balances, vote Labour.

And what's all this in 2004 - which led to Labour's immigration minister resigning?

Mr Blair promised last February to halve the number of asylum applicants - then running at 84,130 a year, up from 32,500 in 1997 - within six months.

His deal with [Romanian prime minister] Mr Nastase reveals the lengths to which he was prepared to go to achieve his target - in effect legally opening British borders to Romanians as long as they did not describe themselves as asylum seekers. It also sheds important light on the events that last week led to the resignation of Beverley Hughes as immigration minister.

Miss Hughes was forced to step down after it emerged that she misled the public over her knowledge of the anxieties of British diplomats in Bucharest about the "fast-tracking" of fraudulent visa applications from Romanians.

Leaked emails from the Home Office suggest that planned raids on premises where suspected failed asylum seekers were hiding were aborted after pressure from the office of Ms Hughes.

The raids might have uncovered illegal immigrants who would promptly claim asylum, forcing up the figures, it is claimed. A separate claim from Bulgaria's ambassador to Britain, that the Home Office had failed to chase criminals let into the UK on visas despite repeated warnings, added to the gathering crisis.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1458492/Revealed-Blair-made-deal-with-Romanian-PM-to-let-in-migrants.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/migrant-row-reaches-inside-downing-street-as-blair-is-accused-of-secret-deal-to-relax-controls-54551.html

Can’t you see though that it’s not necessarily people looking around and saying ‘more of this please’, but that there is really no alternative. Only a couple of years ago, people were saying Labour were no longer a viable opposition option, and wouldnt get into government for many years, if ever. The only reason people are now voting for them is that the Tories have been so crap with Sunak at the helm, that Labour, while still being a dire option, are probably considered just a bit less crap than the Tories. So we have the option between two crap parties. Have you seen the infighting already starting to take place between Momentum supporters within the party and the centre left Keir is trying to push through? There are so many variations of the Labour Party, and it’s difficult atm to see who we will be getting when they get in.

This is probably very true. In which case… who will those communities vote for in this coming election? Arguably they voted conservative on the Brexit point, but what now?

I would judge my partner if he voted Tory. I'd think he was a fucking idiot. I'd loose all respect for him.
Same for my friends.
And for family.
Why? Because the Tories are selfish and disgusting. They have proved this over and over again throughout the last 14 years.

I think your partner has lost respect for you and I can't blame him.
How can you be worried about school fees when the country is in a fucking shambles. "Yes more of this please, it'll be fine"
No way.

The vitriol is quite something to behold.

Damn right it’s vitriol.

Ive seen firsthand what the Tories have done to the nhs and to support for children with SEN and adults with disabilities.

Theyre scum

Thanks 😊

Yes Starmer is battling the hard left and not winning at the moment. Sunak is a busted flush. I feel sorry for all of us having to choose between two such hopeless parties.

Starmer in particular has not made a promising start to the campaign and he actually took a private jet up to Scotland yesterday - to launch his environmental policies! You couldn't make it up! They are bloody laughing at us.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2024/may/31/labour-flew-private-jet-to-scotland-keir-starmer-admits-video

That you Ange?

Quite right, @Skyedancer

You’re right, people do forget. But sadly the Conservatives haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory over the last 14 years. Most of the front benchers have Blairite. They have failed to repeal the harmful and anti-democratic constitutional changes made by Blair, which has left them hamstrung when it comes to delivering on promises, because the power has been devolved away from Parliament into the hands of unelected bodies. Their Covid policies, including the most generous and unchecked furlough payments in the world, racked up more debt than all governments combined over the last 200 years.

We have cripplingly high taxes that have not risen with inflation, causing Mums on Mumsnet to complain that their good job leaves them with no disposable income. It also includes higher corporation tax than most of Europe, including high tax Nordic countries and Italy, because Jeremy Hunt raised it from 19% to 25%. It is now double the rate in Ireland. Seriously, who would want to invest here or set up business here in this environment of high tax and a customer base with no money to spend? We are at the point where our tax levels are so high they are reducing the tax take by HMRC because they are stifling business.

Do I think any of the parties intend to sort these problems out? No. Labour will want to spend more, which either means more inflation, more taxation or both. This will cause the economy to contract further, so Immigration will be used to create a short-term artificial boost caused by more new spenders in the system. The Tories would do the same. They just won’t get a chance because they will lose the election. There are no competently led political parties in this election.

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I know loads of very left wing people but have never met anyone as ideologically pure as some of the people itt. One maybe but I told him I vote Tory (I don't) and he still speaks to me so...

Are you could never kiss a Tory lot all about 14?

Do you mean, who will the urban professionals vote for, or the working class people?

I think the latter in particular are more inclined to be floating voters, at least in recent times. The Conservatives are suffering from having been in power a long time, even with a less than inspiring LP, that fatigue will work in their favour I think. But, the LP has badly burned them by revealing that they actually despise a lot of wc people and values, in a rather personal way. Anyone who has felt that is very hard to win back.

If you mean the urban professional classes, they will vote LP, or LibDem, or Green. It's as much a part of their identity as it used to be for the wc to vote Labour.

The irony....referencing vitriol then ending the post calling tories, and presumably tory supporters, scum. A true labourite......

You know people can choose who to have relationships with don't you?

Oi oi! Not all Labour supporters think like that.

Also, I am not a Tory, and would never vote for them personally. I would never diss or slate people who do though. They are entitled to vote for who they want.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever met a Tory, by which I mean someone who sees that as their home rather than an occasional voter, who gives two shits whether a candidate is white or non-white. The things that make them popular or not aren't about skin colour.

I've certainly men Labou people who imo have a weird attitude ro non-white candidates, as though they need to be treated in a different way. I wouldn't say it's a majority, mind.

Haha nope. Don’t particularly like her tbh either.

Dont agree women have penises.

But I think Labour are a much better option for the country.

My child has been at the sharp end of the cuts to support for children with SEN and I’ll never forgive the fuckers in charge.

Perhaps you’ve escaped harm as a result of Tory policy.Lucky you

I'm not really interested in a debate here, there's no point. I know nobody is going to change my mind so I doubt I can change yours. But no, I don't see it this way. This current government are proven liars, self interested and self serving. I don't believe for one moment that the Labour party is perfect but I do have hope that they will hold themselves to a higher standard.

Yes, this is about the size of it.

I am not too inclined to blame any government for the COVID stuff though. Almost every western nation did the same thing, it was like some weird collective madness. Boris, for all his faults, I suspect actually was naturally inclined to take a better approach, but it would never have flown with the public. People became crazed.

I also think that there is a sense in which successive governments have increasingly painted themselves into corners, as you suggest with devolution, but again, this seems to have been a sort of trend across many western countries. And I think it's been heading that way for decades. Putting more and more elements of power outside of the direct control of representatives in one way or another, so that it's increasingly difficult to actually DO anything.

In some ways maybe we get the kind of governance we have asked for. We want rules and changes to tie their hands, but blame them for it when we need action.

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