DP called me a middle class racist

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Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

I would guess they’d take their business abroad. Especially with taxes lower in many countries as well.
Bye bye taxes and jobs then

Exactly bye bye prosperity Britain 😆 🤣 😂 You sure you want to vote for that 😉

🤪🤪. You’d have thought @Scavernick they walk amongst us. 😳

We have benefits because there are vulnerable people and also because even if people are working, some jobs don’t pay enough for them to live and raise a family. So it’s corporate welfare if you like. Where does housing benefit go? Into the pockets of private landlords mostly-it certainly doesn’t line the pockets of private renters. Maybe if we had decent state controlled housing with low rents, and people earned enough to live on, we wouldn’t be paying out so many billions in benefits.

Just pointing out businesses have other countries to move to.
If people don’t want to work in them over here, they’ll leave.
There are 9.2million economically inactive people in the UK, that’s plenty of potential workers if people want a job to take responsibility for their own lives

People are so short sighted that's the issue. What rich people don't realise is that they need us as much as we need them. "Look after the worker and the worker looks after you" don't look after the worker and you have no workers, no taxes and no riches, and not enough room for all the graves your going to need oh and let's not forget no customers either, you know with them all being starving unhealthy and uneducated...

If healthcare in this country stops being free at the point of use. Watch what happens to the British economy and the death rate.

I couldn't be in a relationship with a Tory. I know my dad votes Tory and I get on well with him and just try to avoid political discussions, but I absolutely couldn't share a life with someone whose views aligned with the Conservatives. Anyone who looks around now and says 'yes, more of this please' baffles me. To say it's coercive or controlling to seek a partner who shares your views is bordering on hysteria.

I agree and it’s about time the minimum wage took full account of the COL.
But no one is proposing a huge hike in that.

If minimum wage goes up, working becomes more attractive. People work more = reduction in benefit top ups and possible raising of the UC threshold.
However more of those economically inactive people need to, somehow, be encouraged to work…….maybe raising the threshold will do it.

We can’t keep going the way we are with too few ( 20-30% ) net contributors

Your right those benefits go to the rich.... mostly corporations though to be fair. Rents to private landlords absolutely correct. It's another way of funneling public funds to private bank accounts, it does have the added bonus of helping people on lower incomes to though, so its a two way benefit 😆

I am interested. Do you have friends/family members who vote a different way from you? Does this also give you 'the ick' and do you refuse to associate with them?

Family, no. The friends who I know how they vote are either Labour, Liberal Dem or Green. It's not about voting differently from me, it's a specific Tory-ick. I'm sure I know people who vote Tory they just haven't told me.

The thing that really gets me about this is people inevitably bring up how much better health care was under the last Labour government.

We;;, yes, because they saddled everyone alive right now with the bloody debt for what they did!

And now they blame the Conservatives for the fact that there is little money.

It will come back to haunt them though I suspect, there is no way they can fudge it this time. They will be elected and won't be able to do much if anything to improve the situation.

With regards 9 million or so "economically inactive" people. Presumably that figure includes pensioners (and maybe students)? Nobody is economically inactive though as work isn't the only economic activity. Everybody spends. Food, clothing, other goods, and that keeps businesses going and people in jobs. Additionally many elderly and disabled people keep other people in jobs through their support needs.

Main thing though is that the total number on jobseeker benefits is around 1 million....

Yet there's only 916,000 job vacancies...

therealcookiemonster
unfortunately no amount of kicking down on other immigrants/poc will make racists accept us immigrants/poc. as we saw with rishi being rejected by the tory membership

I expect the result was down to some members thinking Sunak had betrayed Boris Johnson - others were keen on Liz Truss' tax cutting agenda. Not everything is about skin colour - Sunak scored a respectable 43% of the membership vote.

Is there any real question that most Labour voters are voting based on their own interests? The problem is I think that people assume that means economic interests. It doesn't mean just that though, it also means they things they admire or think are important, or ethical.

That's the only thing that really explains the changes in Labour policies and emphasis over the decades. They were a party of the working classes, put a lot of emphasis on unions as we know, protection of industry, also very suspicious of movement of labour and therefore Euro-skeptics in many cases. They put a lot of value on good jobs for all, functioning connected communities, connection to place.

Labour for a long time however has been the party of the urban professional classes, and their policies now reflect those people's values and beliefs. They want to feel they are protecting the vulnerable, but they don't really have a personal experience of the way connected and established communities tend to be important to the working classes. They have less connection to place, they put more value on the ability to move abroad, or live in a place with a lot of different ethnicities, which is exciting and feels more sophisticated - and they have the money to buy in help when they need it so don't suffer as much if their communities change or they have to move away from family. They tend not to feel the effects of wage depression due to high immigration, on the contrary, easy access to international work is great for their professional life.

That's not to say they are being deliberately selfish, any more than most Tory voters are. Most people want everyone to do well. But the things that middle class, university educated people experience and see as valuable are what most influence their views on policy.

The 9.2 million are 16 - 64 year olds.
This figure are those not in work or education

That figure includes:

• retired people
• people who are long term sick and cannot work
• stay at home parents
• students (Google will tell you this)
• carers

There are not 9.2 million people who could just walk into a job tomorrow.

This is true. I remember lots of Conservative voters and party members being vocal about not wanting Boris to go and not wanting Truss or Sunak. Also I've noticed that one of the most popular Tory MPs amongst Conservative voters seems to be Suella Braverman. Who isn't white.

To add, I'm making a neutral observation, in response to posts on here suggesting "all or more Tories are racist". I'm not giving my own particular opinions on any particular political party or on Boris, Rishi, Suella, or any other political figure.

Link here if you want to look at the breakdown of that number (but I reckon you don't):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591

Same.

I'm not sure what your point was meant to be. There's a lot of waffle about things the Tories have done (which didn't work) and things they reckon they will do (which they haven't done yet despite being in power for 15 years.) I know all that, I have access to the News. Then there's some ideas which Labour have which may or may not work, but I think are probably worth a shot.

Anyone feel sorry for her husband? They probably married with them being on a value par and now he realises she’s a raging self obsessed Tory!

Of course. A black woman critiquing another post that is racist is the one who is silenced.

Everyday on mumsnet. Every single day.

Most human beings are not mature enough to discuss politics. I don’t bother with most people as they have no self control.

To add to my previous post. Another neutral observation. I've noticed on MN and elsewhere, that one of the more popular Conservative MPs amongst both Conservative voters and undecided voters is (black female) Kemi Badenoch.