DP called me a middle class racist

[Whoswhoof]

Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

They won’t be able to ‘smash the gangs’

No chance. Do people know what that would take?

If the economy and public services hadn’t been so poked by the current government, people wouldn’t be susceptible to scare tactics about immigrants.

it is a very famous political ploy, when everyone’s noticed that things have gone to shit say it’s them forriners stealing your houses and getting free taxis and that’s why you can’t get a GP.

it’s not. It’s really not. It’s that the tories have diverted vast amounts of cash to rich people and underfunded the public.

Clearly not, the one thing Labour supporters seem to have is iron clad naivety, perhaps they genuinely don’t know about the serious crime squad and massive networks operating via illegal immigration. They are laughing at the U.K. authorities already - if Labour get in it will be a great day for them, a soft touch government without a plan - perfect.

A friend of mine says this is an issue she faces all the time. "People telling her she's not black enough to be one of them"

To me this is just as much racism from black people to mixed race people as black people face with white people tbh

if you don't understand why asylum seekers may want to come here, you wont find your answers with facts but rather try to find some empathy in your heart.

I actually feel sick reading some of your responses. they are repulsive

I don’t know if Labour actually believe they can or just think the electorate will buy that they can

Either way a lack of insight into the reality of trafficking networks is on their side

But yeh as other countries act we’ll become more attractive

She's voting this way as labour are making private schools pay vat. Her husband who also pays said fees is still voting Labour.... says everything about their personalities really.

a soft touch government without a plan

That's a pretty good description of the last 14 years tbf.

They pay lip service to policies and don't deliver anything. They're ordinary motivation is funneling as much money to themselves and their friends. The only reason they fear losing is because they fear losing access to that gravy train. There's not an actual politician amongst them, they are fucking hedge fund bros who are betting against Britain and raking it in

Or you could look at the benefits system
Or free housing
Or free healthcare
Or free schooling

The list goes on without the need to look anywhere but the ballooning welfare state….

The conservatives are fighting all the way for a decent deterrent and a points based system, despite Labour hindering them at every turn.

The conservatives are fighting all the way for a decent deterrent

lol

I agree. How can someone (who quite possibly considers themselves very progressive and not at all racist) imply that people of colour can only hold certain views because “Torys have form for putting brown people in place to say things a white person could never get away with saying”.
So brown people can’t possibly think for themselves?
I’m white, but not British, and I would absolutely hate it to be patronised in this way, as a poor silly foreigner who doesn’t know any better 🙄

Do you want a deterrent?

Well, regardless of stratification, DP's not wrong is he?

That’s offensive typical foul Labour narrative, it’s gutter level. Doing nothing for their cause.

This makes absolutely no sense to what I have written? I didn't ask if you were or were not offended by anything. And what have I said that you should or shouldn't be offended by? You were the one that was offensive about white people.

I asked were you being offensive to white people? By saying "leftie mostly white people" and you've turned it into being about you 😆

You also made clear you were raising your heritage to let everyone know you couldn't possibly be racist. I was letting you know that your skin colour has absolutely no bearing on whether you are racist. People of all colours face racism and can be guilty of it. Just as you have you have been with your "lefty white people" stereotyping.

Am I not allowed to be offended by that? Because of my skin colour?

Unsure

What is obvious is the base line Labour view that all people of colour need to be saved, they can’t see their sickening white saviour mentality as being extremely offensive.

Anyone can vote for whoever they like, whoever they identify with, and share the same values and ideals whether you personally agree or not - one of the reasons why Rishi Sunak appeals to so many. Ambitious, successful, intelligent people of any colour will choose the conservatives because they share the same ideology and values of working hard, independence and personal responsibility. I don’t know why that is so hard for pp to understand.

@Polishedshoesalways OP's DP, not mine, as made clear in her post. If you have a problem with him or her take it up with him/them.

That’s a no.

They prefer for the country to be swamped by illegal economic migrants (we are almost there already) the infrastructure to collapse ( NHS and GP service already has) and no housing whatsoever ( there already!)

Our country is already under severe pressure and strain. We are going to crash and burn with no deterrent fgs.

If I meant no I'd have said it.

The issue isn't the competency of CS, it's that there's not enough to get the job done. The Tories have been hellbent on underfunding all public services for 15 years, and now the jobs the public service used to do aren't getting done.

Labour certainly has a plan to deter traffickers:

• "Creating a new Border Security Commander – a former police, military or intelligence chief – and reporting directly to the Home Secretary, the new Command will direct work across key intelligence and enforcement agencies with a single aim of ensuring a strong, protected border.
• Hiring hundreds of additional specialist investigators, intelligence agents and cross-border police officers, who will support the Border Security Command unit and work across the UK and Europe, split across multiple agencies, including the National Crime Agency, MI5, Border Force, CPS International and Immigration Enforcement."

Whether any of these plans will work remains to be seen.

However, the Conservative Party website only seems to have Rwanda (which is already a dead duck) and the vague promise to "Stop the Boats".

Their policy so far appears to be:

1. Let immigration skyrocket with no controls,
2. But be really cruel to migrants who are already here,
3. And make sure that it costs the tax payer as much as possible every step of the way.

Frankly, I don't see how Labour could possibly do worse.

You really believe in the border security idea?

Can you work through how it actually happens

We do what exactly?

You are deluded, the ‘solutions’ you suggested will cost tens of millions. Is that the magical money tree again that Labour seem to rely so heavily on.

Well to be fair you are saying precious little on the subject so who knows 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️
I notice most Labour people do not like to discuss what actually happens WITHOUT a deterrent…