DP called me a middle class racist

[Whoswhoof]

Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

But you don't think other people should be allowed to come here. Like your grandparents did? Why?

Or are you happy to have a Tory government forever as long as you can feel satisfied you’re a morally superior person?

That’s exactly how it’s coming across, isn’t it? Quite baffling really - do people like PP want actual change or do they just want to feel superior?

Um.... I was a 'legal' immigrant to the UK for a number of years. That doesn't stop me from noticing that the refugees and migrants coming across the channel now are only 'illegal' because self-serving laws make them so. There's no 'mass immigration' to the UK, illegal or otherwise. For that, look to countries that share borders with war-torn countries.

I left the UK because Brexit made me feel unwelcome, and because I couldn't stand the Tories shitting on the poor. And because I worked at a university where privately-educated students are over-represented by a factor of at least 5 and I could see first hand that the private system created a completely unmerited advantage for those children whose parents could afford to fork out tens of thousands for their education.

I don't like Starmer and I didn't like Corbyn, and yes the Tories are the only sane party on gender ideology, which creates a real dilemma. But voting for a party that is weaponising xenophobia (a different thing from racism, note, but just as nasty) the way the Tories are currently doing - no. Just no.

Besides the xenophobia, there is the idiotic nostalgic jingoism - the endless talk of the UK being 'world-beating' at this or that - and the fundamental dishonesty of trying to claim Brexit was a good idea. And, again, the constant, constant shitting on the poor. They want to victimise people too sick to work further, ffs.

Germany takes in considerably more migrants than the UK on a regular basis and still has better public services. The shortages in the UK are politically created; the migrants are just easy scapegoats. That's not to say that completely uncontrolled immigration wouldn't be a problem, but that is not what is happening.

I do think you're probably voting with your checkbook, OP. There's a lot wrong with Labour, but how on earth could you not see that - gender ideology aside - the Tories are worse. Labour too want to control immigration, btw. The reason why it's not working is that Brexit has messed up cooperation with French authorities. I note you've got nothing to say on Brexit at all.

Well my (imigrant) grandmothers (white) husband would say his famous line

“every commy is a capitalist with no bottle”

just catching up on the thread so I’m sure there’ll be more comments like this. But I guess I think we SHOULD be looking after ourselves?

No. Because I don’t appreciate white people telling me how or when I should be offended as an ethnic minority. Take for example, singing along to lyrics that use the N word. That’s for me to decide if I’m offended, not white people putting a blanket ban on people signing lyrics.

it’s ironic really.

Oh, OP, did you forget to take a look back down, on your way up?

I’ve not said this once? Please don’t make things up.

MASS and ILLEGAL immigration is a problem. People should be allowed to come here under the following conditions (imo)

• means to support themselves ie savings or equity
• a trade or a job lined up to support their lifestyles
• being able to speak the language
• full background clearance checks
• made to integrate in society, not form their own little communities that don’t bother with British nationals.

my grandparents did this all legally, made a success of themselves, sent their kids to private schools. So why people keeping using them as an example I’ve no idea!

How about refugees?

Why don’t they stop off in France on their way?
or the multiple other countries they often pass through. Refuge elsewhere.

We are a teeny TINY island. Why here? If not for economic reasons?

@therealcookiemonster exactly

Op every time update you can hear you looking down.

Seems your partner knows you only too well. .

What returns policy was that?

Not sure it’s for high numbers, how many in total?,

Otherwise EU countries would use it with each other to solve their issues

Most of them do. The UK takes a vanishingly small share of refugees and asylum seekers, and provides no legal means of claiming refuge or asylum.

Oh maybe he wasn't joking

I just don't understand why you would have ever wanted to vote Labour?

You hear someone looking down? Interesting..

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I'm sorry you felt unwelcome ThreeLocusts. That's a terrible shame.

A climate of hostility and people feeling unwelcome (whether immigrant or regional 'blow-in') is an unfortunate consequence of failing to address or even acknowledge concerns and impacts especially on less advantaged communities. Addressing by ensuring there's no encouragement of hate, compassionate solutions looked at, and the needs of people already here especially the disadvantaged are taken into account.

You mention Germany. They're looking at 'large-scale deportions'. Whether their solution is what people want, I don't know.

It's not the only option. The main need is, as I've said, to acknowledge the impact especially on the less advantaged and look at solutions that are compassionate, avoid hate, and address the needs of people already here. There's the German option below, or massive investment and funding of public services, a lot more social housing built, and job opportunities, that accommodate everyone in need from abroad and from the UK.

Information on Germany:

https://www.dw.com/en/german-immigration-policy-whats-changing-in-2024/a-67753472

View change, manifestos change, parties change, leaders change. Quite simple really.

I doubt they mind

Well if you’re quoting someone saying every commy is a capitalist with no bottle as a positive thing, then I’m amazed you ever voted Labour.

Labour have suggested a points based system and more staff to deal with the backlog which has been allowed to balloon under the Tories.
https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-immigration-and-border-policy-stop-small-boats/#:~:text=Labour's%20plan%20for%20immigration,works%20for%20workers%20and%20businesses.

The tories wont be physically sifting through applications themselves! It is the civil service that will be working under any party - so if they are rubbish now, they will be rubbish under Labour too.

So how are you going to deter hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants under just a points system?! Anyone that can legally live here will apply via the usual channels, but that isn’t the issue is it, it’s the shit load of gangsters, people traffickers and migrants looking to make some hard cash - they are the problem fgs, and funding serious crime in your town right now. Labour intend to do nothing about the real issue!

Maybe he meant false class consciousness