DP called me a middle class racist

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Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

Why?

Lifelong Labour supporter turns Tory for this election, well that’s just quite bizzare really along with yourself growing up poor on a rough council estate and being from an immigrant background but whatever floats your boat OP vote for whoever you want too! Let’s make damn sure those poor kids on rough housing estates have an even worse time of it than you did 👏🏼👏🏼

I'll accept that Gullis is just thick, but Braverman has a good chance of succeeding Sunak represents the right-wing of the party. Once you subtract the MPs stepping down at this election what remains is the right-wing of the parliamentary party.

It could be that we're at cross-purposes and you're discussing the aged membership of the national party holding tea dances at Con clubs around the country, but the parliamentary party has been lurching steadily to the right since Cameron and their current strategy is to designed to attract votes from those even further to the right that Reform is pulling away from them.

The Conservatives are a long way from the centre-right party they were developing into under Cameron.

When politicians send their kids to private school it's often to give the kids some privacy. They didn't ask to have their parents in the public eye, and by default, them too.

There is a good chance Braverman will lose her seat. They will do what they usually do and cycle through the crackpot leaders but in opposition, not in government. I think they will go with Penny Mourdant eventually or Kemi Badenoch but will lurch into the Nat Cons territory first. We need a variety of viable parties in order to have a functioning democracy. Part of the reason for the mess we are in today is because Labour were not a viable opposition, so Bojò and the ERG could do what they liked.

The VAT exemption for private schools is because they claim charitable status - give out a few bursaries here and there. If you want to give your kid a leg up, do it with your own money. There is/was educational provision available for you that is government funded.

In General Elections? So you first voted in the 1979 or 1983 elections?

Or come and overwhelm your local school and get on the PTA and raise standards.
It happens with gentrification in cities.

Agree.
Labour privatised GPS and it’s almost impossible to get an appointment now.

So what is Labour going to do? It hasn’t said anything about its immigration plans - despite disagreeing with the Rwanda plan, they have not a single alternative!
Many LP voters call for no borders at all, and people should live wherever they want! Without pausing to consider how we would ever practically pay or house endless migrant flows.

We are now fighting for two visions

Labour - uncontrolled immigration billed as ‘helping’ the economy- no effort to control it at all ( and wait for the fall out of their ‘non policy’)

Conservatives - After years of going through the courts finally gaining a proper deterrent with deportations. The Rwanda model that is now being considered by Austria, Germany etc. A proper points based approach that serves our economy will be put in place.

Those are choices.

A Labour free for all or a Conservative led Australian/Canadian system.

Not all Private schools are Charities.
Labour wanted to remove charitable status and declared as such only then realising he couldn’t and had to backtrack.
The Charitable status has nothing to do with the tax being proposed

Idk what will happen but I do think many countries will struggle with trafficking up lift and general migration pressures. Not just the U.K. but EU will show the same shift. It may mean Aus style policies or every country shifts at the same time on the laws

Once it’s brought in it’ll be bipartisan as it is in Aus - eg Labor keep Liberal policies which probably cited as crack pot and extreme at the time

it's just survival tactics

"if I push down on the other people of colour, maybe I will be deemed white enough to be accepted as British by the racists" mentality. suella and rishi subscribes to this

unfortunately no amount of kicking down on other immigrants/poc will make racists accept us immigrants/poc. as we saw with rishi being rejected by the tory membership

Post brexit I have got no idea what the entry requirements are for eu immigrants or if by default they are vetted now using the same points system.
@Tardidegraded

Yes, the same points system applies to all immigrants. Global Britain, innit. (Although whisper the "G" word, because the more swivel-eyed Brexiteers aren't too keen on "globalism".)

Here (pic) are the rules, which you can download the rules from here [PDF].

You need 70 points, but the first 50 are from three mandatory categories, so they might as well have said that you need 3,000,020 points and made the first three categories a million points each. Literally the only flexibility is that if you have a PhD you can get a visa with a lower salary. I'm told that physics PhDs from Germany and Singapore are currently flocking to the UK for the chance to earn £23,480 per annum (minus NHS surcharge).

A key point of the Leave campaign was to introduce an "Australian-style points-based" system, but the UK version has ended up not at all like the Aussie one, which allows trading of points between skills (e.g., between level of English, education, professional qualifications, years of experience, etc).

Everyone wanting the Australian system - are you Australian? Do you know Australians?

Australia is a deeply racist country. Not the people (though, some) but the structure. Look it up and in almost all the horrifying ‘we don’t do that anymore, that was insane’ stats they were last to change. Their treatment of their indigenous population was genocidal.

The tories have lifted a lot of this ‘small boats’ shit directly from Australia, who got really into it in the early 2000s and detains people indefinitely, including children, offshore on some handy islands. Look up Nauru if you want to. Maybe we could use Jersey!

OP, Ive not read through the whole thread as I dont discuss politics but I do understand why you are feeling this is bang out of order

This has caused a huge rift in my family :(

My sister - Staunch labour Supporter , during elections when Boris was first standing, was having an online conversation on SM with someone else, and casually threw in the comment - "my racist tory sister "

Never spoken to her since.

Im a floating voter and as for being racist - Ive been called a lot of things but not one person has ever ever levelled that at me. Thats cut me to the quick, totally unforgivable

Her son came to stay with us a few weeks ago, ( I live in a different country now ) he didnt know what had caused the rift, so I told him, and he ( being mixed race himself ) was totally incredulous.

I’m not commenting on your post re the nhs

Just your first para
i am surprised you ever voted Labour. What you write here shows you have a Capitalistic way of thinking.

We live in a Capitalistic country, all Parties are capitalist. Your post suggests Labour is the opposite to Capatalist…..ie communist.

Put the vodka down and don’t use ridiculous sweeping statement about entire countries - and using stupid terms like cis dudes that no one understands.

Buddy you’re on the wrong thread I didn’t say that here

I know imagine if we got really tough and they were suddenly deported as decents of illegal immigrants, she would soon be on here begging for us to sign her petition.

It's fine as long as they are no longer at risk of deportation. So sad tbh.

This was the thread that had a lot of their country their rules posts. Which struck me as interesting given other threads

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5083523-can-you-really-not-move-to-australia-with-autism?reply=135634260

The Windrush generation came over during a Labour Government and were not given the correct legal status to remain. By the Labour Government at the time,

That's not true.... the paperwork for them to stay in definately was destroyed people need to get their facts right.

The Tory party has a none white leader, while Labour has just bared two black women?
He's living on planet misogyny, how charming.

Have to agree with this, however with regards to Diane abbot I think it's more down to the fact she's to left leaning for kier given he's a tory in disguise 😆