DP called me a middle class racist

[Whoswhoof]

Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

Labour shouldn’t have gone down the route of privatisation, I didn’t agree with that then and I don’t now. However we’ve now got to the underfunding point where nothing is working (ironically besides ITU, my husband runs three ITU units across a trust, he because of Covid really benefited, it demonstrated clearly how intensive care needed resources - without the pandemic the situation would’ve continued to be dire).

Strange how you can work in exactly the same discipline as my husband but yet come to such different conclusions. He detests the Conservatives more than any living thing on the planet. Walking through a hospital with stretchers lining each corridor because of bed blocking will do that to you. Maybe you walk through to the relative calm of ITU without looking?

Also I’m fascinated how you can praise Johnson for his work during the pandemic whilst presumably knowing what actually happened? The PPE mismanagement and corruption was something else. Did you not also lose colleagues?

I never said they were left wing.

@RaverQuavers It looks as though those you cut off dodged a bullet. Why would anyone want such superficial relationships. I mean, people political views aren’t all they are or stand for. Sometimes we go with what aligns more with the values we have or change we want to see. Neither party speaks to me. I’m stuffed so I’ll vote green instead.

Since when did a Conservative voter give a flying *k about any other country's problems? You really think they're concerned about the immigration issues in Greece and Italy?

I think you missed the point. The crossings are increasing in many countries. The UK are part of that trend. Countries that have more stringent policies get it lower still, eg Aus

Labour voters here. DC in Private education, works for us.

Tory cabinet may be diverse but they have a lot in common - incompetency, lack of empathy, corruption, jobs for friends and in some cases sheer bullheaded bone-brained bully behaviour (looking at you Lee Anderson).

No it's his opinion, I have my own and they arnt far off his tbf. That said you've every right to vote for who ever you like for what ever reason you like. There are many people with opinions like yours.

I think sometimes the truth is just a little hard to swallow when it hits you in the face like that.

The conservatives are terrible on immigration, they pay lip service to it but visas granted are higher than ever, fact is we need skilled workers so they don't really have much choice.

'Underhand behaviour and lies'? What on earth are you talking about? I said that you could check me out with MN - please do so.

I'm interested that you thinking privatising the NHS is the answer. I have not seen evidence that privatisation of anything that should be a fundamental service has improved our country. Where profit takes precedence over efficiency and efficacy, quality of life goes down. We pay too much for basics now: housing, utilities, transport - these all are essentials that should be affordable to all. The dismantling of nationally owed services has, in huge part, led to the long term CoL crisis (not the recent one, but the housing booms etc.) I don't think health care should be profit-led.

This thread is surprising to me, people can have different opinions and different priorities. I’m never fixed in my vote, I wait to read the manifestos, hear the debates and who will be leading the party. For what it’s worth, at this point I plan to vote Labour this time for a variety of reasons but that doesn’t mean I think someone voting differently is bad. Life is not that black and white and politics particularly isn’t.

A huge amount of the country does and will vote Tory, because they have different priorities to you doesn’t make them bad.

Also, really disagree with privatisation of the NHS but almost all my friends have private healthcare through work and no one really uses it.There needs to be some way for the NHS to bill insurance firms for use if people have it.

Christ. They've been in power for so long and only have damage to show for it. How you can in good faith vote for them beggars belief. Maybe not racist, but not able to understand the world around them.

You 100% sound like a typical Tory to me so I’m amazed that your husband is so surprised

If posted the list of Tory misdeeds over here, it would fill the thread. Don't play dumb.

60 years of benefitting from the taxes of boomers but not appreciating one day they will not be working and paying taxes

Every successive Government since the 50s and certainly mid 60s when birth rates stated to drop has ignored the elephant in the room. If birth rates continue to drop who pays the taxes

At a time when we have more net contributors ( boomer year ) than beneficiaries we should be looking forward. No Government did this.
We are in a mess because there are only now 30% ( some figures show 20% ) net contributors in the country.
If that figure reduces more and more we have less and less.
The challenge for every party is to lesson net beneficiaries, increase net contributors and by doing so there will be more money to invest in services and productivity.

There’s no money in the pot, not because of one Government but because individual Parties have failed to work together over these many years towards the better future.

Agree @Whoswhoof there is definitely a lack of taking personal responsibility these days

To me, it sounds like PP is assuming that us immigrants should all be voting in the same manner 🙄

I think a lot of people don’t have a fixed vote until we hear more about what each party has in store
The head to heads will help
However as soon as anyone mentions a single Conservative policy they agree with others pile on and start putting them down
Ive been called a fascist by Labour voters because I support womens rights fgs!
OPs and others have been called racists by Labour voters because they want more control on immigration.

No one is allowed to discuss the positives of any Conservative future thinking without vile abuse and labelling

I think that’s possibly because they are - culturally speaking. Their views seem more aligned with Christian values. Think about the outrageous and heartless attitude of a Braverman - you are hard fetched to find such views being freely spouted by “lefties” no matter how infuriating they seem.

I agree @Whoswhoof
very strange to think that people vote one party all their life.
Most people mature and grow in understanding after the age of 18 . We don’t all vote like our parents.
We should be able to analyse everything and decide for ourselves.

Wanting working aged people (to fill particular roles) is controlled immigration.
Mass immigration refers to letting people in (in large numbers), regardless of whether or not they have the skills the local economy needs.

I am all for controlled immigration. However, it’s the UK’s chickens coming home to roost. If they didn’t destabilise other countries. People wouldn’t want to come here.

The irony of thinking that YOUR immigrant grandparents were OK but we don't have room for all these new immigrants coming over.

And I don't know where you got your facts re homelessness. They're not correct.

Is that irony? I'm not sure it is. Just because you have family that did emigrated, doesn't mean you can only have one view of immigration

I don't think I am the one being ridiculous 🙄

but not going to persist in arguing with someone who is so blinkered. ciao