DP called me a middle class racist

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Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

Same for me.

I am surprised you ever voted for labour. What you write here shows you have a capitalistic way of thinking.

NHS has no motivation because the staff is not paid well, is overstretched, and that's because of low funding and also thanks to Brexit a lot of staff left. That is all because of Tory policies. You think privatisation will resolve it. Private education, private healthcare - basically everyone is out for themselves kind of society.

Just because you escaped poverty and made it financially, does not mean everyone is able to.

policies which seek to “tighten illegal immigration” don’t actually work, fyi. If you look at proper research on the topic, you find that the things politicians and voters think would work, do not. They don’t deter people from trying to move. It’s all a game of nonsense and people don’t realise it unless they’re migration experts. If you actually want immigration to be better managed you’d need to vote for a party which talks about safe and well managed legal routes, which sadly isn’t Tory or Labour atm because they prefer posturing to what actually works.

No one is going there. Not the EU nor US. It’s not feasible. Aus has some of the most stringent immigration policies

Jumped on about race related issues from mostly white lefties.

Not sure if you are racist but you definitely have racial stereotypes.

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Many people on the left are completely convinced that they are morally superior and therefore they are very judgemental about anyone who votes Tory. I don’t really understand it myself. Weirdly, it is ok to be very conservative if you are from some countries but not others. I assume that it is a patronising view that some foreigners don’t know any better. My parents hate that I sometimes vote conservative but they just about forgive me. I admit that I am a coward and don’t usually tell my colleagues or friends if they bring it up.

Honestly this sort of rhetoric really pisses me off. It’s been brought over from The States and it is extremely divisive and harmful.

“If you vote Tory/Republican, you are a hateful racist”. People need to take more care in what they say. How about “oh, you have an opposing view to mine. I disagree because of x. I respect your right to an opinion because I assume you have a brain and are capable of critical thinking”? Too many narcissistic know it alls these days.

Said as half Indian/half British woman.

This is appalling and yet it is allowed to stand on MN as usual. Newsflash! Not all people of colour are left wing and neither do they have to be. And they are even capable of having their own thoughts and have their own minds! FFS.

Excellent post.

Yawn.

Oh no, don’t throw reasonable arguments at the OP! She’d rather believe that only Tories are able to hold a proper debate and that all lefties are over-emotional idiots, incapable of stringing a sentence together.

What's gotten you so tired, two day old account posting exclusively on Tory talking points?

I am surprised you ever voted for labour. What you write here shows you have a capitalistic way of thinking

Do you think that the Labour party is not capitalist?

My husband used to be like you, and so did I to a certain extent. We both mellowed down in the last couple of years though.
One of his close family members voted Tory in the last election, probably for the first time in their life.
We both couldn’t believe it at the time, but actually, why is it so unbelievable?
People have different views and priorities, life isn’t black and white. Said relative is still a lovely person (and fwiw working class, not loaded, no private school).

My mum votes Labour and my dad votes Conservative. But they're half that age.

Look at the state of this country and ask yourself which party got us here? Then ask yourself why would you vote them to stay. Bizarre but each to their own. Labour are useless. I’ll be voting Green Party this time around I think.

Utterly ridiculous. My grandparents came here legally, not on a rubber boat across the channel. With that said OF COURSE immigration is a problem.

It's worth realizing that the rubber boat problem is entirely a creation of the Conservative government. It barely existed before they came into power. The whole "Stop the Boats" thing is a smokescreen to a generally ignorant and middle-class racist voter base because it is they that are the cause of it.

In the absence of mechanisms for legal migration and by withdrawing from agreements to manage immigration with your closest neighbours it was entirely predictable that the consequence will be so-called illegal routes.

Middle-class racist seems such an apt term for the core Conservative vote, a combination of second-generation middle-class that still identify as their working-class grandparents and those of a second- and third-generation immigrant background. The common theme being that they're now doing alright for themselves and why should any Johnny-come-lately be allowed threaten that through the opportunity for hard work and effort.

Indeed. I find RaverQuavers behaviour completely ridiculous.

It's ok.

He was only 'joking'.

Tell him he's a misogynistic perv. Humorously.

I have been on and off MN for very many years. I close my account frequently as I am trying to stop using it! I name change a lot. MN will verify this if you want to contact them. My interests are FWR and politics so I am enjoying the political back and forth on here and sometimes it makes me reconsider my position which is a positive in my book.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a 'plant' or whatever it is you are implying. From your language I am guessing that you are in the US where perhaps this is far more common?

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What was the closest relationship you cut off? Sibling, good friends?

The Med crossings too? It’s not just the U.K. dealing with it