DP called me a middle class racist

[Whoswhoof]

Just now. Discussing the upcoming election. Both always voted labour. I said I’m voting Tory in the upcoming GE for a multitude of reasons, some of which come under the bracket of gender identity, kids sex ed, general tightening of illegal immigration, not taxing private schools. I explained you kind of just have to vote for the party that most aligns with your beliefs as you’re never going to agree with all of them (I don’t agree with a lot of Tory policies, but the ones that are important to me are relevant)

DP then jokes “So you’re a middle class racist now!” Then says only joking. DP will be voting labour.

Aibu to think this is quite out of order?

edited for typo!

The whole Covid partying for many is the very embodiment of ‘one rule for us, another for you lot’ attitude of the Tories.
NHS being brought to its knees- Tories use private health care.
Our schools woefully underfunded - they use Private schools
Social Care for the elderly decimated ? - they have generational wealth to provide for grandma…
And on and on…

Absolutely. And you are correct. It is always people from the Left, many of them White, middle class and wealthy. I'm delighted that Starmer is facing them down.

But that’s what happens when you vote in millionaires and billionaires, who been cosseted their entire lives - from the silver spoons in their mouths, to their lessons in elitist private schools, to a job in mummy or daddy’s firm then into politics.

YABU for voting Tory.

Now this is why we don't discuss politics in our house.

It's often better to agree to disagree rather than have the same old conversation with someone who's not listening.

Your vote is between you and the ballot box.

Generally I think all Tory voters are racist, no one would be voting for them and their Rwanda flights if they weren’t.

Vote for whoever you want. But they have had 14 years to tackle these issues that are important to you…but they haven’t. That’s where I disagree. At what point do you feel that you have given them enough time to sort them out. Women’s rights that’s been erased whilst they have been in power, immigration has got worse (small boats etc) whilst they have been in power, sex education well they had 14 years to change that and they did in 2019.

so @Whoswhoof why do you think that there will be any difference

The present Tory government has proved itself spectacularly incompetent and corrupt over the years so why would anyone want more of the same? Mind you, the Labour party is pretty underwhelming at the moment. Perhaps I will vote for the Monster Raving Loony party if they are standing.

Utterly ridiculous. My grandparents came here legally, not on a rubber boat across the channel. With that said OF COURSE immigration is a problem.

it would be lovely if “no human was illegal” and we could all frolic about the planet without borders and taxes but that is NEVER going to be reality. The reality is we have governments, laws, taxes, infrastructure, documentation. And none of that is going anywhere so YES it needs to be controlled.

————————-

faith is somewhat restored whilst catching up on this thread, tories seem to be able to argue a proper debate whereas the left seem to be shouting down, name calling, being abusive and undermining. “We’re better than you coz think of the homelessness” Point rested I guess!

PS there is no reason for anyone to be homeless. The council offers a no second night out scheme so a lot of it is through choice. And I said that as somebody who gives a lot of money to the homeless.

JFC. Do you belong to the Michael Gove school of cruelty? The man who claimed that people who used food banks had just made wrong choices in their lives? Or, like other Tories, claim that being on benefits is a lifestyle choice?

people that come here on rubber boats across the channel are also coming here ‘legally’ as they claim asylum when they arrive.

Issue here seems to be your fundamental lack of understanding around core issues.

what do you think the Tories are going to do to control immigration? The Rwanda plan costs more than housing asylum seekers here

Saying it's "choice" if someone is offered a bed totally fails to appreciate the reasons behind street sleeping (which isn't the same as homelessness).
Mental illness is a huge reason why people keep sleeping rough. And if you are hearing voices then being in a shelter with a bloke who's shouting at HIS voices is a great reason not to stay!
Living in a damp single room with all your kids and no cooking facilities is also not a "home" but that's what you get if you leave an abusive partner.

@Soowoowoomoo I agree

I felt MPs partying during Covid was hugely significant, as it showed how much contempt they had for the general public

Good god why do people always have to split hairs? There are anomalies in most things in life. People like you could be handed a gold bar and go “but what about the silver left behind”. It’s just not how life works!

and yes being on benefits is absolutely a choice providing you’re not disabled sick etc. some people just can’t be arsed to work and that’s a fact.

life isn’t about whatabouteries and what ifs. We’ve become a lazy, babied society and that’s just how it is. People can’t be arsed to sort themselves out (generally). I know a lot of them!

Tories are very pro immigration. And this gender stuff is happening on their watch.

My lifetime observation of this is that the people that vote Tory (and I know a lot, well) do so because they look at the policies that benefit them as individuals.

And the people that vote Labour (and I know a lot,well) do so because they believe in the policies making society a better place.

In general, not all of course. But there’s definitely a preponderance of What’s In It For Me from Tory voters.

DH has always voted Tory and was raised in a family of Tories. (Although he’s not voting Tory this time). I have always voted Labour and was raised in a family of Labour supporters. It’s perfectly possible to have a happy, healthy marriage but have different political perspectives. We debate a lot and often don’t agree and that’s ok.

I was just about to say this! Like fuck have they always voted Labour, there's nothing about them that align with Labour values. This thread is just made up bs. I guess we'll see more of this as we head closer to the election.

Private school fees - let’s assume Labour’s deluded expectation that it’ll bring in £1.6bn AT MOST to the coffers

theyre spending £8m a day on illegal immigrant accommodation… that’s £2.9bn a year

🤔 maybe they should start with illegal immigrants first…..

Starmers policy of processing asylum seekers and negotiating an agreement with France to keep asylum seekers there will have a better chance of succeeding than the Rwanda scheme and will be far cheaper. Austerity and the slashing of public services has meant that there is such an enormous backlog of cases that people are here for 5 years or more. They disappear into the system. Many are also not on small boats but have overstayed their visas. Again, the system is creaking and underfunded. The Rwanda scheme is nothing more than an expensive gimmick to distract voters from the much larger legal immigration that the Tories done want to do anything about. because the alternative would be telling employers to invest in training, put more money into education and more money into border force and other public services that they have slashed.

OP, please reconsider. The tide is already turning against the insane logic of trans-extremism. I agree with you that taxing private schools is petty and pointless and hope it gets overruled. But you can't honestly look back over the heartless defunding of NHS, social housing, local governments, state schools that has occurred over recent years and think this government is the most intelligent, practical, compassionate, strategic lot for long term growth and development. They just line their own coffers, hand major contracts to mates without any track record and think the poor - the very poor, the double-waged families relying on foodbanks, should stop whinging and look for higher paid work. They are cruel, shallow, mindless, incompetent, short term self-seeking, power-crazed disasters.

This gender stuff… You mean making prescribed gender transition drugs illegal for children both publicly and privately

After how many years?

Having read OPs later comments I am also struggling to see how they ever voted Labour. Agreed this must be a Tory plant thread.

and negotiating an agreement with France to keep asylum seekers there

Has he repeated this lately? I thought it was U.K. elite border security now as the pledge