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Coming out as Bi to DH

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Scorchioo · 30/05/2024 11:26

Just over a year ago I came out as bi to DH. A family member who had divorced her husband was now in a relationship with a woman. We were on the subject and I told DH I believed myself to be bisexual. When we first met DH knew that I had some attraction to women and that I had kissed women in the past.

It did not go down well. DH was almost sickened by what I told him and immediately started to text his mother as he “needed someone to talk to” I told him I wasn’t comfortable with his mother knowing and that if he needed to talk to someone I would be happy for him to confide in a friend instead. He said I can’t “control who he talks to” His mother is the type to use this information as a weapon against me.

DH then used graphic sexual language grilling me about all the stuff I would do to women. Would I ….. a woman etc. He kept saying he felt sick and if I was really bisexual he couldn’t remain married to me. He felt betrayed and acted like I had cheated on him.

I ended up backtracking and told him I was just confused and that my sexuality is fluid instead.

He then a few weeks after became hugely suffocating, physically touching me all the time and almost “love bombing” me.

We have not mentioned it since.

Has anyone got any experience with this sort of situation?

OP posts:
BlessedKali · 31/05/2024 00:09

Adults who use the word identity regularly when talking about themselves have a problem of the ego.

I think egos get rather hurt, and it's hard to swallow someone doesn't totally receive your identity with open arms, so then you blame 'phobia'.

Basically everyone needs to stop navel gazing, get on with their lives and onky cry wolf when someone is in actual danger

TheMarzipanDildo · 31/05/2024 00:12

DreamingOfItAll · 31/05/2024 00:09

I’m not really convinced of that though. OP has contradicted herself. She thought he knew she was bi but it’s something shes only recently felt comfortable to identify as bi herself. It’s inconsistent. If she didn’t know, how could he have possibly have known. I think OP has been economical with the truth to her husband, to herself and to those on the thread.

If the gist of the story is true, OP should end the relationship as she is bi, which is just who she is, and he won’t accept that, which is his choice.

Well I definitely agree with the last bit.

Tandora · 31/05/2024 00:14

kkloo · 30/05/2024 23:57

What you think is not fact though is it?

Perhaps you need to learn to be more open minded and actually learn about human sexuality, instead of trying to fit everything into your box of everything is biphobic.

You're saying that some peoples sexual, dating and relationship choices appear to be driven by harmful stereotypes and forms of discrimination and prejudice.

I'd say you're stereotyping, discriminating and showing strong prejudice yourself. You really need to get down off your high horse and accept that some straight people are only attracted to other straight people.

You've decided in your head that it's not an innate sexual preference therefore it cannot be because you said so. Get over yourself.

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im afraid I am going to take some convincing before I accept that not fancying bi people is a specific, innate and immutable variant of human sexuality.

This whole thread is an argument about circumstances where straight people have fallen in love with bi people. Cases where they are attracted to the person , regardless of them being bi.
this makes perfect sense since being bi is not an externally visible trait , you cant even know if someone is bi unless and until they tell you.

DreamingOfItAll · 31/05/2024 00:21

kkloo · 30/05/2024 23:57

What you think is not fact though is it?

Perhaps you need to learn to be more open minded and actually learn about human sexuality, instead of trying to fit everything into your box of everything is biphobic.

You're saying that some peoples sexual, dating and relationship choices appear to be driven by harmful stereotypes and forms of discrimination and prejudice.

I'd say you're stereotyping, discriminating and showing strong prejudice yourself. You really need to get down off your high horse and accept that some straight people are only attracted to other straight people.

You've decided in your head that it's not an innate sexual preference therefore it cannot be because you said so. Get over yourself.

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👏 Thank you. This saves me writing a reply which would have been very similar.

There seems to be a growing trend for people to think that their opinion is fact, and then they use that to jump to all sorts of conclusions. They believe they’re very open minded, live and let live types, but they’re so busy taking offence on behalf of everyone, that they can’t see their own prejudice and stereotyping.

SammyScrounge · 31/05/2024 00:28

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TheMarzipanDildo · 31/05/2024 00:35

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I don’t think a gay man would be interested in you either funnily enough!

Gay and bi are pretty straightforward sexualities, it’s not like announcing you’re demi-sexual but only on Tuesdays.

Tandora · 31/05/2024 00:35

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I'd choose a straight man as a partner over bi's or gays any day. That's because people with complicated sexualities tend to be boring

we can add this to the list of absurd of bi/ homophobic crap spewed on this thread

Tandora · 31/05/2024 00:43

DreamingOfItAll · 31/05/2024 00:21

👏 Thank you. This saves me writing a reply which would have been very similar.

There seems to be a growing trend for people to think that their opinion is fact, and then they use that to jump to all sorts of conclusions. They believe they’re very open minded, live and let live types, but they’re so busy taking offence on behalf of everyone, that they can’t see their own prejudice and stereotyping.

So what I have learned from mumsnet today is that I need to be more open minded and learn that finding bi people unattractive and disgusting is a specific, innate and immutable variant of human sexuality (even though in lots of circumstances straight people are in fact attracted to bi people, but that only happens when bi people are being deceitful liars).

Begsthequestion · 31/05/2024 01:13

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Boring?

Is that the best you can do?

Begsthequestion · 31/05/2024 01:15

BlessedKali · 31/05/2024 00:09

Adults who use the word identity regularly when talking about themselves have a problem of the ego.

I think egos get rather hurt, and it's hard to swallow someone doesn't totally receive your identity with open arms, so then you blame 'phobia'.

Basically everyone needs to stop navel gazing, get on with their lives and onky cry wolf when someone is in actual danger

You are a trump supporter so really I don't think your opinion on bi or gay people can be taken seriously.

BruFord · 31/05/2024 01:48

Icannoteven · 30/05/2024 23:20

Your partner sounds incredibly immature.

Your sexuality is a big part of your identity and it is not unreasonable to want your partner to know your accurate sexuality! To not tell him is to hide it (as if ashamed or forever worried about his reaction) or to lie!

Yes, of course he is entitled to be disgusted, if bisexuality is a turn off for him (we can’t control what turns other people in/off etc) but he is an arsehole for not treating you kindly.

I’ll also echo what others have said on here: mumsnet is an absolute well of ignorance and hatred towards bisexuals. Every single thread about bisexuality goes the same way - it’s either invalidation (it’s not important relevant, especially if you’re in a heterosexual relationship so you should just shut up, lie and hide who you are for the rest of your life), people talking about how they are disgusted by bisexuality and worry about cheating and then the comparisons to illegal perversions. EVERY THREAD. EVERY SINGLE ONE, without fail. It’s like going back to the dark ages.

Anyway, Yanbu to tell your husband. Bisexuality is part of your identity. You our sexuality isn’t just a meaningless preference . It is a preference that affects how you think about yourself, how you see yourself, who you relate to and/or which experiences you relate to and how others may feel about you (or your perception of how others may feel about you, if you don’t tell the me you are bisexual). Not disclosing/pretending to be straight is not a neutral act - It means you are never truly ‘seen’ or accepted by those you live and this will affect your perception of who you are!

Straight people don’t realise how much their sexuality is part of their identity because they are the default, they have never had to question how their sexuality informs their life choices or how they are perceived by others because of their preference, or deal with their own positive or negative feelings about their sexuality. They just take it for granted that everyone is how they are, that they won’t be perceived differently because of their preferences and that they will be accepted in the world- that their sexuality willl not be met with disgust. Hence the ignorance.

@Icannoteven I agree that her husband has reacted immaturely, not least by rushing to tell his Mum.

It does sound as if they’re not compatible and it’s a shame that they didn’t talk about sexual preferences before they got married, as it would have avoided this upset. I’m not sure why the OP assumed that he somehow knew that she was bi if she hadn’t actually told him.

People are incompatible for all sorts of reasons and thank goodness nowadays we aren’t expected to put up and shut up if we’re not happy. The OP isn’t happy with her husband’s reaction and she can leave if she wishes.

kkloo · 31/05/2024 02:05

Tandora · 31/05/2024 00:14

im afraid I am going to take some convincing before I accept that not fancying bi people is a specific, innate and immutable variant of human sexuality.

This whole thread is an argument about circumstances where straight people have fallen in love with bi people. Cases where they are attracted to the person , regardless of them being bi.
this makes perfect sense since being bi is not an externally visible trait , you cant even know if someone is bi unless and until they tell you.

and until someone can give you an acceptable answer then you're going to keep going on and on that you're right and stating your opinion like it's fact? Telling other people that they don't understand their own sexuality?

Why do you keep using that argument?
People can be attracted to someone and then stop being attracted to them because something turns them off.
Attraction and sexuality is like that.
People get turned off people all the time even though they might have been previously turned on by them.

You sure seem to know nothing about human sexuality for someone who has such strong opinions.

CallItLoneliness · 31/05/2024 04:39

Everanewbie · 30/05/2024 16:30

I'm not attracted to obese men, am I fat phobic? I am attracted to intelligent men with interesting conversation, is that prejudicial to people with speech impediments or autism etc? People can choose sexual partners based on their own criteria and they don't need to justify it to anyone.

Being Bi-sexual, as OP herself said is a big part of her identity and sexual being. After being married for a long time, your partner telling you something this momentous is bound to have an affect on them.

Well assuming men with autism can't be intelligent or good conversationalists is pretty fucking prejudiced.

Lots of people on the thread have asked how it matters if someone is bi if they aren't actually looking. One way it matters to me is that I hear things that I wouldn't hear if people knew I was bi--they are willing to say the most outrageously bigoted things because they think I'm one of them, and it won't bother me. It would bother me anyway, but it also means it's me they're talking about. It means that when I look, I look more widely. Because my H isn't a dick, it means that we can compare tastes, which is actually quite fun sometimes.

For the people saying they would leave if their partner came out--I find that bizarre, unless it's about your own insecurities (in which case, own it). That that one thing that doesn't even affect your lives trumps everything else you know about them, all the memories you've shared, the life you've built together? You absolutely get to set your boundaries, but they seem frankly astonishing to me.

And for everyone saying "before marriage is the time to tell"things were different in the 90s. The first time I told a girl I liked her, I lost my whole group of friendsshe turned them against me. There was a lot of pressure to be straight (pressure that this thread demonstrates is still alive and kicking). It was a lot easier to tell myself I was a straight girl who sometimes liked girls than it was to admit what I was.

In any case, while OPs husband has the right to have strong feelings about this, and to talk to people about those feelings, the way he has gone about this seems pretty fucking nasty.

kkloo · 31/05/2024 04:59

Tandora · 31/05/2024 00:43

So what I have learned from mumsnet today is that I need to be more open minded and learn that finding bi people unattractive and disgusting is a specific, innate and immutable variant of human sexuality (even though in lots of circumstances straight people are in fact attracted to bi people, but that only happens when bi people are being deceitful liars).

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SOME straight people have an innate preference for straight people.
Other straight people don't have a preference.

There are lots of variations among sexuality, and some people just happen to be attracted to people whose sexuality matches theirs.

Some straight people prefer bisexual partners and find it to be a turn on, if it's a turn on great, if it's a turn off then "YOU'RE WRONG" and judgemental and prejudiced and biphobic🙄

Hugosmaid · 31/05/2024 07:06

amijustbeingsuspicious · 30/05/2024 21:33

Because

NOT WANTING TO FUCK SOMEONE WHO IS BI DOES NOT MEAN YOU DISLIKE THEM AS A PERSON/DON’T THINK THEY DESERVE EQUAL RIGHTS ETC.

IT IS A SEXUAL PREFERENCE.

fuck me
people are hard of understanding

They are not hard of understanding they just like that opinion.

if you don’t want to shag some one your obviously a ‘bigot’

Coercion is very big at the moment

Hugosmaid · 31/05/2024 07:19

LadyHavelockVetinari · 30/05/2024 21:39

Why is the default that people are straight? Genuinely I don't care at all who my partner fancies, as long as they are consenting human adults. If someone cares deeply they should ask their fiance the question. It's not on me to cycle through every characteristic that ISN'T a turn off just to make sure my sexual preferences are to my partner's taste. It's very hard to explain to straight people that when you are bi, someone's sex is just another characteristic, it's not this big important obvious binary that's so ingrained you don't even consider people for dating if they're the wrong side.

I have strong preferences about partner sexual preferences, and I make sure that my partner's align with mine by asking them. Rape fantasies, violence towards women, anything underage-coded (like the sexy school girl manga shit), anything to do with animals (even benign things like cat ears) are all a no for me. I don't expect a man to disclose to me whether he likes school girl outfits out of the blue, I think it's on me to ask, since I am the one who doesn't want to be with him if so.

It's not failing to be honest if you're never asked. My same-sex attraction isn't important to me at all, because I've been in straight relationships for years. It's not part of my identity , I don't consider myself LGBTQ, I have never brought it up in conversation, have never attended a pride march or a bi event. I never think about it at all unless it's in the context of suddenly being into a particular woman (this happens to me every few years, with the same frequency as I get crushes on men. No desire to act on them in any case).

Are we pretending that being straight isnt the default? That a millennia hasn’t past of procreation. You know man and woman = baby. It’s a biological fact most people are predominantly straight because if we wasn’t humans would die out pretty fucking fast.

When I date I assume they are straight because they havnt stated they are also gay. Lots of people put ‘Bi’ on their bios - I generally go off what people tell me about themselves. When you meet someone they try and put their best self forward.

So to omit quite a big aspect about their sexuality is hiding that fact.

Why would you have to hide something so important to you? It’s because they know it might put people off - which is deceitful.

DreamingOfItAll · 31/05/2024 07:26

Tandora · 31/05/2024 00:43

So what I have learned from mumsnet today is that I need to be more open minded and learn that finding bi people unattractive and disgusting is a specific, innate and immutable variant of human sexuality (even though in lots of circumstances straight people are in fact attracted to bi people, but that only happens when bi people are being deceitful liars).

Edited

🙄

If you’re looking to learn something, then your take away from this should be that people are different and find different things attractive and unattractive.

Just because you haven’t experienced something, like being a straight person that isn’t turned on by a bisexual person, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen or that when it does, that it must be rooted in phobia. Thats as bad as someone saying being bisexual isn’t real because they haven’t personally felt attraction to both sexes.

StormingNorman · 31/05/2024 07:44

I think I learned something on this thread.

A bi person needs a man OR a woman, not a man and a woman, to be fulfilled in a relationship.

BustyLaRoux · 31/05/2024 07:44

Adults who use the word identity regularly when talking about themselves have a problem of the ego.

Thank you Sigmund.

amijustbeingsuspicious · 31/05/2024 07:45

TheMarzipanDildo · 31/05/2024 00:35

I don’t think a gay man would be interested in you either funnily enough!

Gay and bi are pretty straightforward sexualities, it’s not like announcing you’re demi-sexual but only on Tuesdays.

if it’s straightforward why didn’t OP disclose to her husband pre marriage

BustyLaRoux · 31/05/2024 07:47

BlessedKali · 31/05/2024 00:02

so bored of everyone being called phobic for having the wrong views. it's like boy who cried wolf

Also it is absolutely nothing like the boy who cried Wolf! (Have you actually read the story!) 😂

Otherstories2002 · 31/05/2024 07:50

Tandora · 30/05/2024 23:34

There are literally 100s of posts on this thread written by me and others explaining why (we believe) the views expressed by you and many other women on this thread are biphobic. You have just continued to repeat yourself over and over again as if you hadn’t read any of them. Fair enough to just say “I simply don’t agree ,
I don’t accept your point of view and that’s all there is to say” but to pretend they don’t exist couldn’t be more disingenuous, and I’m not here for it.

Then put another way.

If biphobia is thinking that announcing a change in sexuality during a marriage doesn’t permit me the right to walk away I am happy with that label.

Much like I am happy with the transphobic label if it means lesbians don’t have to accept a penis into their sex lives.

Otherstories2002 · 31/05/2024 07:52

Hugosmaid · 31/05/2024 07:06

They are not hard of understanding they just like that opinion.

if you don’t want to shag some one your obviously a ‘bigot’

Coercion is very big at the moment

It really is!

It seems these days you’re either anti consent or phobic.

BustyLaRoux · 31/05/2024 07:53

Verv · 31/05/2024 00:04

I’m going to hazard a guess that you haven’t got the faintest idea what my views are because thus far you’ve proven yourself entirely incapable of anything above and beyond squawking biphobia every five minutes and overusing exclamation marks.
If anything is going to put me off bisexuals, it’s sounding like an overexcitable half-sharp parrot.

I never said I was bisexual. I’m not as it happens.

But don’t let that stop you passing judgement as you’ve shown yourself incapable of anything above bigotry and judgemental rantings about some half baked perception of what is “logic”.

Your argument about having been with women is akin to those people who argue that they have black friends or a black relative so can’t be racist. Your insulting my writing style and calling me names is the last resort behaviour of someone who knows they’ve lost an argument so resorts to hurling insults instead.

LeopardPrintIsNeutral · 31/05/2024 07:54

CheeseWisely · 30/05/2024 11:35

As a PP, I'm not sure what the purpose was in telling him, unless the realisation means you have intention to act on it?

I've flipped it to try and put myself in his position if my DH told me he was Bi, and I think I'd be upset and panicked that he was suddenly going to seek relationships with Men, but only in the same sort of way as if he suddenly announced to me that he'd realised he was particularly attracted to Brunettes (which I am not).

If you have every intention of remaining totally faithful to your Husband then surely who else you are attracted to is largely irrelevant?

His reaction isn't great but I'm not sure what you expected instead?

This - and I say this as a bisexual person.

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