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AIBU to date a man that my close friend has dated?

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Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 01:30

My close friend and I (We’ll call her Amy) are both single. We have been for a couple years!
She is actively and regularly dating. Currently seeing someone now, but these things tend to be short lived.
She tends to take an approach of throwing herself into dating, to get to know people.
I on the other hand rarely date unless I see something special in a man.

The man in question (let’s call him Daniel) is on the periphery of our social circles.
My friend bonded with him at a party that I couldn’t attend at the beginning of the year.
Shortly after the party Daniel went away for a
month with work. The company he works for were setting up business abroad.
Amy and Daniel would text and call often. Making arrangements to meet when he got back.
There was nothing physical between them. But they shared a lot of personal stuff and bonded over similar experiences. As well as all the normal flirting.
Amy really liked him and wanted to see where things could go.
Daniel on the other hand felt he wasn’t in the right place to be dating and didn’t want to ruin the friendship.
I don’t think that they actually went on a date. Just a couple of months max of calls and texts.
They remained in contact as friends, albeit sporadic. She has seen him in person since but with another friend at a gig.
Amy was very upset at the time, having become really close, emotionally.

I have ran into Daniel a handful of times. Previously I would have just been polite, as an acquaintance, didn’t really know him to spend time chatting.

But since the situation with Amy I’ve been friendly with him, as we both have Amy in common.
We recently ended up on the same train together for an hour chatting about various topics.
I felt that I’d really warmed to him. We messaged a few times since (fb messenger, we haven’t swapped numbers), nothing major but I was feeling interested in him as a person.
He’s just asked me out on a date.
I feel like he could be a good match in terms of values and interests, I like his sense of humour and he’s easy to talk to.
I think he’s attractive.
He ticks a lot of boxes and seems like a good person.
I’ve met many of Amy’s dates in the past.
Friendly but platonic with most.
The occasional one has shown an interest
but it was one sided, I’ve never considered it.
This is different, I feel differently about this man.

a) My friend is kind and will tell me it’s fine. But I think she will still be hurt.
Therefore I’m stupid to even consider this.
And should reject him for “dating” my friend first.

b) I rarely feel like I want to date anyone.
I feel like Amy will have dated most single men our age in our local area, that I will struggle to find anyone to date who she hasn’t previously dated.
This scenario was inevitable at some point and I should just speak to my friend first before I accept a date.

I can’t sleep and need some perspective on this.
AIBU to consider this at all?
Would you be upset if you were in Amy’s position?

OP posts:
Anotherparkingthread · 29/05/2024 01:41

It's not as though they were married for ten years. While I'm sure Amy was upset at the time, they weren't actually ina relationship and whatever they had didn't continue. It's not like you turned his head. Realistically he's going to date somebody sooner or later and she will find out as he's on the peripheral of the friend group anyway.
Just approach the object tactfully, but I wouldn't mention it until you have had a few dates first. It could be that you feel differently in a few weeks time and aren't interested in him, it vice versa and bo reason to rock the boat over nothing.

ChellyT · 29/05/2024 02:03

Anotherparkingthread · 29/05/2024 01:41

It's not as though they were married for ten years. While I'm sure Amy was upset at the time, they weren't actually ina relationship and whatever they had didn't continue. It's not like you turned his head. Realistically he's going to date somebody sooner or later and she will find out as he's on the peripheral of the friend group anyway.
Just approach the object tactfully, but I wouldn't mention it until you have had a few dates first. It could be that you feel differently in a few weeks time and aren't interested in him, it vice versa and bo reason to rock the boat over nothing.

Yes absolutely this! They weren't married/engage and it sounds like it wasn't too serious either. Go on the date(s) see if there is something and go from there. Tactfulness is the key, don't get worked up about it and don't forget to enjoy yourself 🌸

LadyMinerva · 29/05/2024 02:34

Depends on how much you value your friendship with Amy. I would talk to her about it first and read her reaction rather than just hear her words.

If you think she is uncomfortable with it then you'll need to decide if it's worth losing your friendship with her over.

In my experience, 9 times out of 10 it's not worth choosing a man over a friend.

BeBopBeBop · 29/05/2024 02:35

The challenge may be that she opened up emotionally with him, whereas it sounds like sometimes she doesn't do that. Equally, you say the party was at the beginning of the year, followed by a couple of months of texting, so let's say this goes up to March when he says he's not in a mindset to date or ruin a friendship. She's seen him since then, so say April-ish?

Realistically, it's only been a couple of months since she was "very upset at the time, having become really close, emotionally." Honestly, I reckon she'll not be happy and may struggle with having opened herself up emotionally, he then says he may not be ready to date, and yet then she hears that he's dating you only a couple of months later.

At the end of the day, it's your choice. It wasn't a serious relationship, but your friend may not see it that way. Personally, I'd probably skip it to avoid drama or suggest you stay friends for a while and see how everyone feels a few more months down the line - if it's meant to be a connection for you, it will be then too. But if you do go ahead, I'd mention it to Amy early on; if she finds out by someone else, that would be awful.

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 03:17

BeBopBeBop · 29/05/2024 02:35

The challenge may be that she opened up emotionally with him, whereas it sounds like sometimes she doesn't do that. Equally, you say the party was at the beginning of the year, followed by a couple of months of texting, so let's say this goes up to March when he says he's not in a mindset to date or ruin a friendship. She's seen him since then, so say April-ish?

Realistically, it's only been a couple of months since she was "very upset at the time, having become really close, emotionally." Honestly, I reckon she'll not be happy and may struggle with having opened herself up emotionally, he then says he may not be ready to date, and yet then she hears that he's dating you only a couple of months later.

At the end of the day, it's your choice. It wasn't a serious relationship, but your friend may not see it that way. Personally, I'd probably skip it to avoid drama or suggest you stay friends for a while and see how everyone feels a few more months down the line - if it's meant to be a connection for you, it will be then too. But if you do go ahead, I'd mention it to Amy early on; if she finds out by someone else, that would be awful.

I think this reply is close to my original thinking.

She doesn’t date exclusively and there have been other men that she has opened up to emotionally.
This one is someone we have mutual friends with though. Other than that I’m not really sure why she was so upset about this particular man.

But you’re right, it wasn’t that long ago that he had told her he wasn’t in the right place to date. You’re right, I think it will upset her if he starts dating me so soon.

I feel torn, that I deserve a chance to find someone too.
That I rarely like someone enough to date them.
Although if I explain to him, that I need some time. I’m not closing the door.
I can just see how things are later in the year.
Even that feels deceitful though.
Argh!

OP posts:
Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 03:21

I don’t think I could go on any dates without telling my friend.

I know it might not lead anywhere but either way we’d have done it behind her back.

And with us both knowing mutual friends in the area all it would take is for one person to mention seeing us somewhere.

OP posts:
JMSA · 29/05/2024 03:33

Yeah, you need to talk to her. It doesn't matter that she wasn't married to him! She's your good friend and she felt a close emotional connection to him.

BeBopBeBop · 29/05/2024 03:38

I think the friendship group is pretty important here. Any drama and all of a sudden its not just her feelings that are hurt there could be ripples out into other friendships.
As you say he ticked a lot of boxes for you, could be that he ticked many for her too hence she invested more emotionally. IMO the only way forward is to talk to her maybe start with mentioning you met him on the train and chatted, see how she reacts and take it from there

Sorry, I get its shite when you feel a connection but its not obvious how to move on it.

thebestinterest · 29/05/2024 04:34

LadyMinerva · 29/05/2024 02:34

Depends on how much you value your friendship with Amy. I would talk to her about it first and read her reaction rather than just hear her words.

If you think she is uncomfortable with it then you'll need to decide if it's worth losing your friendship with her over.

In my experience, 9 times out of 10 it's not worth choosing a man over a friend.

Agreed.

thebestinterest · 29/05/2024 04:35

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 03:17

I think this reply is close to my original thinking.

She doesn’t date exclusively and there have been other men that she has opened up to emotionally.
This one is someone we have mutual friends with though. Other than that I’m not really sure why she was so upset about this particular man.

But you’re right, it wasn’t that long ago that he had told her he wasn’t in the right place to date. You’re right, I think it will upset her if he starts dating me so soon.

I feel torn, that I deserve a chance to find someone too.
That I rarely like someone enough to date them.
Although if I explain to him, that I need some time. I’m not closing the door.
I can just see how things are later in the year.
Even that feels deceitful though.
Argh!

Mmm, why didn’t he ask her out? Or has he? Sounds like trouble to me, OP.

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 05:02

I wouldn’t choose a man over a friend. If it came down to that decision.

I just wondered, maybe hoping, if under the specific circumstances, I was over thinking it.
But largely most replies seem to confirm my thinking, that yes she will be upset.
And I get that, they had an emotional connection.

My friendship is definitely the priority here.
I’d rather not risk it.

OP posts:
Jazz7 · 29/05/2024 05:09

Just ask her if she’s ok with it friendship works both ways she should be pleased for you and she’s moved on. That’s what I did , got the go ahead, now married thirty years. And we stayed friends, all three of us.

Caiti19 · 29/05/2024 05:58

Why did he lead her on to that degree?

GetyourheadoutoftheovenIris · 29/05/2024 06:04

Why don’t you just say, ‘hey Amy, I saw Daniel on the train and we had a great chat. He’s asked me on a date. What do you think?’

MsCharlene · 29/05/2024 06:13

I wouldn't.

I'm curious though, about any underlying feelings you have about your friend. You've made several comments about the number of men she has dated,

"I feel like Amy will have dated most single men our age in our local area, that I will struggle to find anyone to date who she hasn’t previously dated. "

Is there some resentment here?

renomeno · 29/05/2024 06:50

From your description it sounds to me like Daniel wasn't ever interested in Amy on that level, who was initiating all the calls and texts between them? Maybe it was all Amy and Daniel was being polite in replying etc... Have you heard his description of their relationship/friendship? If he'd wanted a date with her I'm pretty sure he would have asked her. He didn't. But he did ask you!

How long have you known Amy?

DontBiteTheCat · 29/05/2024 07:05

You deserve a shot at happiness too.

It’s very easy to form an emotional attachment when you texts/call regularly, it doesn’t mean it’s real. It’s one of the red flags of dating - don’t text/call too much before you meet.

Amy may be upset initially, but I’m sure she’d get over it pretty quickly - she sounds like she dates a lot and wears her heart on her sleeve? Nothing wrong with that of course, but she’s not at home pining over him is she?

I would speak to her beforehand, have an honest conversation and go on the date. You’ve done nothing wrong!

LoisFarquar · 29/05/2024 07:07

So they didn’t in fact ever date? They didn’t even go on a date?

Iaminthefly · 29/05/2024 07:13

Why was he messaging her for months without asking her out?

He'll have known she was interested? Why lead her on?

I bloody hate it when guys pointlessly message you for months for an ego boost.

Loopytiles · 29/05/2024 07:23

What happened with Daniel and Amy, as you report it, reflects badly on Daniel. He didn’t treat her well IMO.

It was recent. Amy told you how she felt about what happened.

if you date him she is indeed likely to have feelings about it.

You make several comments about Amy and the number of men that she dates, or seeks to date, also that you like to ‘see something special in a man’ (which presumably just means you want to date him). Unnecessary!

Nicole1111 · 29/05/2024 07:24

If this was a situation where they met and relatively quickly went on a few casual dates and he declined to take it any further it would be very different. It sounds like she invested emotionally in this man over quite a long period of time though and they connected on a deeper level and shared a high level of emotional intimacy. For me that’s what makes it different and why I would avoid dating him.

TheTartfulLodger · 29/05/2024 07:24

You said she was really upset that things didn't go further with him. That's your clue to how shd will react. She will be really upset if you date him. Even if she initially hides it this has the potential to damage your friendship.

fieldsofbutterflies · 29/05/2024 07:31

Amy clearly had feelings for him even though they never had a romantic relationship.

I agree with PP's saying that if you date Daniel then you're going to ruin your friendship with Amy.

Dhsidygsy · 29/05/2024 07:40

Amy and Daniel never dated and weren't physical either. They just chatted for two months and he wasn't that into her. She sounds like she dates a lot so maybe she's found (or soon will) a man who is as in to her as she is into him.

lemonstolemonade · 29/05/2024 07:41

Basically, he didn't want to date Amy. He did lead her on a bit and then told her he wasn't ready, which was an excuse to put her off.

He is now interested in dating you. Assuming he's not flaky and leading you on, then this is likely to hurt her feelings. You've commented on occasionally having one sided interest from Amy's partners in the past - are you more conventionally attractive than her? If so, I really would be pretty careful - I wouldn't say you are betraying Amy because it's clear nothing happened, but you are rubbing her face in her rejection somewhat!