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AIBU to date a man that my close friend has dated?

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Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 01:30

My close friend and I (We’ll call her Amy) are both single. We have been for a couple years!
She is actively and regularly dating. Currently seeing someone now, but these things tend to be short lived.
She tends to take an approach of throwing herself into dating, to get to know people.
I on the other hand rarely date unless I see something special in a man.

The man in question (let’s call him Daniel) is on the periphery of our social circles.
My friend bonded with him at a party that I couldn’t attend at the beginning of the year.
Shortly after the party Daniel went away for a
month with work. The company he works for were setting up business abroad.
Amy and Daniel would text and call often. Making arrangements to meet when he got back.
There was nothing physical between them. But they shared a lot of personal stuff and bonded over similar experiences. As well as all the normal flirting.
Amy really liked him and wanted to see where things could go.
Daniel on the other hand felt he wasn’t in the right place to be dating and didn’t want to ruin the friendship.
I don’t think that they actually went on a date. Just a couple of months max of calls and texts.
They remained in contact as friends, albeit sporadic. She has seen him in person since but with another friend at a gig.
Amy was very upset at the time, having become really close, emotionally.

I have ran into Daniel a handful of times. Previously I would have just been polite, as an acquaintance, didn’t really know him to spend time chatting.

But since the situation with Amy I’ve been friendly with him, as we both have Amy in common.
We recently ended up on the same train together for an hour chatting about various topics.
I felt that I’d really warmed to him. We messaged a few times since (fb messenger, we haven’t swapped numbers), nothing major but I was feeling interested in him as a person.
He’s just asked me out on a date.
I feel like he could be a good match in terms of values and interests, I like his sense of humour and he’s easy to talk to.
I think he’s attractive.
He ticks a lot of boxes and seems like a good person.
I’ve met many of Amy’s dates in the past.
Friendly but platonic with most.
The occasional one has shown an interest
but it was one sided, I’ve never considered it.
This is different, I feel differently about this man.

a) My friend is kind and will tell me it’s fine. But I think she will still be hurt.
Therefore I’m stupid to even consider this.
And should reject him for “dating” my friend first.

b) I rarely feel like I want to date anyone.
I feel like Amy will have dated most single men our age in our local area, that I will struggle to find anyone to date who she hasn’t previously dated.
This scenario was inevitable at some point and I should just speak to my friend first before I accept a date.

I can’t sleep and need some perspective on this.
AIBU to consider this at all?
Would you be upset if you were in Amy’s position?

OP posts:
Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 10:36

renomeno · 29/05/2024 06:50

From your description it sounds to me like Daniel wasn't ever interested in Amy on that level, who was initiating all the calls and texts between them? Maybe it was all Amy and Daniel was being polite in replying etc... Have you heard his description of their relationship/friendship? If he'd wanted a date with her I'm pretty sure he would have asked her. He didn't. But he did ask you!

How long have you known Amy?

I’ve known Amy for too many years to count now.

We always discuss the progression of her dates.
Amy is one of those people that everyone finds really easy to talk to.
She makes people feel comfortable.
Having many similar family issues they had been sharing lots of personal stuff.
it sound very mutual, Daniel initiated as much as she did.
And seemed engaged with the communication.
There was flirting/sexting as well though. So I do believe he was interested in her.
She tried, it didn’t work out.
It did seem a bit off that they had spoken so much, so deeply and then he decided he wasn’t ready.

Maybe that’s a sign that he’s the wrong person for either of us anyway!

OP posts:
Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 10:40

LoisFarquar · 29/05/2024 07:07

So they didn’t in fact ever date? They didn’t even go on a date?

No. But they have met in person before and since, due to all of our social circles overlapping.

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Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 10:49

Loopytiles · 29/05/2024 07:23

What happened with Daniel and Amy, as you report it, reflects badly on Daniel. He didn’t treat her well IMO.

It was recent. Amy told you how she felt about what happened.

if you date him she is indeed likely to have feelings about it.

You make several comments about Amy and the number of men that she dates, or seeks to date, also that you like to ‘see something special in a man’ (which presumably just means you want to date him). Unnecessary!

Daniel seems like a genuine person.
But you’re right without knowing him this may come across like he led her on.

My comments about the number of men Amy dates are to set the context.
We are dating in the same pool.
Due to our different approaches to dating though she is meeting many men who I may have considered an option.
It not her dating lots of men that is an issue.
It’s that it makes a small dating pool much smaller for me, as they are now off limits.

I do like to see something special in a man before I date him.
I’m cautious about getting attached and hurt.
I dont think my approach is better than Amy’s.
Im providing context to our approach and this situation.
I think Amy’s approach to dating is brave and probably better than mine as she is able to quickly move on to finding the right person.

I think you’ve misread my intent in sharing this information.

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Love51 · 29/05/2024 10:50

From just the title I thought '5 dates or less, fill your boots' because I don't think that going out to dinner with someone a few times should stop them dating the person's friends. These didn't even have one date!
However, I was thinking that their infatuation would have been in the past. April to May is still the same season. On those grounds I'd give her a heads up. I can't see why she'd care. You aren't 12.
I wouldn't date my friends' ex husbands, partly because they only divorce the scumbags! But someone they exchanged a few messages with? Yeah of course. There aren't hundreds of people who fit your criteria (location, age, lifestyle, personality etc) maybe there aren't even half a dozen. I wouldn't want a friend to miss out on happiness because I exchanged a few messages first!

Chillilounger · 29/05/2024 10:57

I think you need to have the conversation. Tell her you're worried in case it makes her feel weird, but that you would like to see where this goes and as you're both dating out the same 'pool' it would be good to establish some rules eg no surprises/ not if you've slept with them etc

DoreenonTill8 · 29/05/2024 11:12

Exactly what @Chillilounger says, would Amy do the same for you @Bertiebellender ?
If you went top speed on online dating and 'liked' lots of people would Amy Steer clear?

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 11:15

Thanks, there’s some really mixed responses to consider.

Where we live is relatively small. So it’s not uncommon to date a person and find out your friends or family already know them.
I don’t believe this man is a player.
I do believe he led my friend on a bit.
I don’t think this was intentional, the conversations got deep quickly. And they bonded over personal issues.
Whilst not in regular contact Amy would consider him a friend now.
She was hurt but doesn’t hold it against him.

I like him. I do feel a little put out that he’s off limits when they didn’t physically date but I do agree this is likely to impact my friendship.

I can’t expect him to wait for me but I intend to explain why I can’t date now.
If in say 6 months my friend seems to have moved on; and if Daniel and I are still interested in dating I will discuss the situation with Amy.
I think emotionally it’s too soon and will hurt Amy.
By the end of the year she will have dated more people and Daniel might feel more distant to her.
Or I could feel differently about him by then, in which case that shows this would have been a bad move.
I think time is probably best for all of us.

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Pricklyhogs · 29/05/2024 11:22

why not just ask her? And ask her to be absolutely honest, as you are being with her?

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 11:25

lemonstolemonade · 29/05/2024 07:41

Basically, he didn't want to date Amy. He did lead her on a bit and then told her he wasn't ready, which was an excuse to put her off.

He is now interested in dating you. Assuming he's not flaky and leading you on, then this is likely to hurt her feelings. You've commented on occasionally having one sided interest from Amy's partners in the past - are you more conventionally attractive than her? If so, I really would be pretty careful - I wouldn't say you are betraying Amy because it's clear nothing happened, but you are rubbing her face in her rejection somewhat!

My friend is attractive but yes I would be considered more “conventionally attractive”

I see my friend as good looking with a fantastic personality.
I see her as marriage material.
To the point where I can’t actually understand why she has trouble dating.
Other than men being intimidated, feeling like they don’t measure up to her brilliance.

I do worry that men see me as “conventionally attractive” and therefore are looking at me for one thing.
I’m hesitant to date, to protect myself. And in this circumstance to protect my friendship.
Its possible I hurt my friend, he gets what he wants then hurts me.
So all in, probably not worth it anyway!

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MILTOBE · 29/05/2024 11:27

thebestinterest · 29/05/2024 04:35

Mmm, why didn’t he ask her out? Or has he? Sounds like trouble to me, OP.

Presumably because he didn't want to ask her out! Why does that make him trouble?

MILTOBE · 29/05/2024 11:30

Don't be silly - just go on a couple of dates with him. You like him, he likes you. Your friend has dated a lot of local men - you can't be expected to keep away from all of them.

MILTOBE · 29/05/2024 11:31

I can understand why your friend might be disappointed that nothing came from her friendship with this man, but why would she feel hurt?

It's ridiculous that you are even thinking of telling him to wait six months when he hasn't even gone on one date with Amy. Just crazy.

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 11:35

DoreenonTill8 · 29/05/2024 11:12

Exactly what @Chillilounger says, would Amy do the same for you @Bertiebellender ?
If you went top speed on online dating and 'liked' lots of people would Amy Steer clear?

She’s a good friend. I believe she would steer clear, naturally.
She’s very chatty though so if the tables were turned, I imagine my previous dates would warm to her.
I’d be happy for her to date any of them.
I have a pretty robust “off switch” when it comes to my feelings towards men I’ve dated.
Although if I was still feeling hurt by a rejection, then I would feel upset if she dated them.

I think that’s the crux of this. How she’s feeling about Daniel now.
I think it’s too soon to consider.

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BettyBardMacDonald · 29/05/2024 11:39

MILTOBE · 29/05/2024 11:31

I can understand why your friend might be disappointed that nothing came from her friendship with this man, but why would she feel hurt?

It's ridiculous that you are even thinking of telling him to wait six months when he hasn't even gone on one date with Amy. Just crazy.

This.

What a bonkers thread.

It sounds as though Amy goes full speed ahead, overshares and becomes over-invested too quickly. That's her issue and shouldn't mean everyone else has to curb their lives to avoid upsetting her.

You don't need her permission to form a friendship (and possibly more) with another human being. A decent person would be happy for you.

Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 11:39

MILTOBE · 29/05/2024 11:31

I can understand why your friend might be disappointed that nothing came from her friendship with this man, but why would she feel hurt?

It's ridiculous that you are even thinking of telling him to wait six months when he hasn't even gone on one date with Amy. Just crazy.

She's hurt BECAUSE nothing became of it. What's difficult to understand about that?

Of course OP can do that what she likes but don't you consider your friends' feelings when they might be affected by your actions?

OP why not test the waters by first asking how things are with her new guy? If she's smitten it might be a good sign she's moved on without asking first thing if you want a stepping stone

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 11:40

MILTOBE · 29/05/2024 11:31

I can understand why your friend might be disappointed that nothing came from her friendship with this man, but why would she feel hurt?

It's ridiculous that you are even thinking of telling him to wait six months when he hasn't even gone on one date with Amy. Just crazy.

I think it’s the mixture of falling hard and fast over messages, bonding over family traumas etc.
plus then being rejected by someone she was vulnerable with.

6 months might be excessive but I do think she’ll need more time for this not to be an issue.

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Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 11:40

As in he took up her time having intimate chats and she thought it was going somewhere then nothing.

BettyBardMacDonald · 29/05/2024 11:43

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 11:15

Thanks, there’s some really mixed responses to consider.

Where we live is relatively small. So it’s not uncommon to date a person and find out your friends or family already know them.
I don’t believe this man is a player.
I do believe he led my friend on a bit.
I don’t think this was intentional, the conversations got deep quickly. And they bonded over personal issues.
Whilst not in regular contact Amy would consider him a friend now.
She was hurt but doesn’t hold it against him.

I like him. I do feel a little put out that he’s off limits when they didn’t physically date but I do agree this is likely to impact my friendship.

I can’t expect him to wait for me but I intend to explain why I can’t date now.
If in say 6 months my friend seems to have moved on; and if Daniel and I are still interested in dating I will discuss the situation with Amy.
I think emotionally it’s too soon and will hurt Amy.
By the end of the year she will have dated more people and Daniel might feel more distant to her.
Or I could feel differently about him by then, in which case that shows this would have been a bad move.
I think time is probably best for all of us.

You will put your happiness on hold for six months (by which time Daniel could well be dating someone else) because your friend might be jealous that you are dating a man she is friends with never actually dated?

Think about that.

BettyBardMacDonald · 29/05/2024 11:46

Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 11:40

As in he took up her time having intimate chats and she thought it was going somewhere then nothing.

I have had intimate chats with myriad people in the course of a lifetime, and that doesn't obligate my other friends to avoid those people. Nor do I consider those I connect with to owe me any special fealty for having "taken up my time."

How bizarre.

Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 11:49

Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 11:40

As in he took up her time having intimate chats and she thought it was going somewhere then nothing.

Yes.
I don’t think it was intentional on his part.
I think they both got caught up in the heavy discussions.
When my friend pushed for a date he’s realised that’s not what he wants and was quick to be clear at that stage.

But it does suggest a lack of awareness.

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Bertiebellender · 29/05/2024 11:54

BettyBardMacDonald · 29/05/2024 11:43

You will put your happiness on hold for six months (by which time Daniel could well be dating someone else) because your friend might be jealous that you are dating a man she is friends with never actually dated?

Think about that.

I hear you.

I tried to explain to others that she almost has a monopoly on men in our area due to
our different dating styles.
It does make me feel a little resentful that I could be passing up on something good.
But could you risk your friendship for a man?
I just feel, right now it would definitely hurt her.

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Frogandfish · 29/05/2024 11:55

BettyBardMacDonald · 29/05/2024 11:46

I have had intimate chats with myriad people in the course of a lifetime, and that doesn't obligate my other friends to avoid those people. Nor do I consider those I connect with to owe me any special fealty for having "taken up my time."

How bizarre.

So? She's hurt. That's a fact according to the OP. You don't get to arbitrate whether or not complete strangers are allowed to be hurt or not by romantic or potentially romantic interactions (especially when we're not even hearing directly from them so don't know how much she was led on or not). She thought or hoped it was leading somewhere based on intimate conversations and it didn't, which clearly stung. That ok? The OP values the friendship enough not to want to ride roughshod over those feelings.

These solipsistic answers on here that amount to 'do whatever you like' have very little value in the real world where people want to maintain friendships etc.

Not saying avoid Daniel completely but approach it considerately.

ll345 · 29/05/2024 12:04

Having read all your replies, OP, I agree with the others saying you are crazy not to consider going on a date with Daniel. You've said Amy has already been upset at things not progressing with 4 guys already this year alone - we're only in May. You live in a small area. You have said you feel like Amy has a monopoly on the single men in your area. To me, it is quite risky to allow yourself to emotionally attach over a period of months to a person who lives locally without having gone on a single date with them. If she wishes to approach dating in this manner, that's her choice, but it doesn't sound to me like she's being a very good friend to you if she is expecting you to not date any of these men that it doesn't work out with for her. I don't blame you for feeling a bit resentful. You say you don't find connections like this very often. Go for it :) If Amy values the friendship as much as you do, then she should understand.

Lifelong · 29/05/2024 12:07

I think you could give it another 8-10 weeks, but I would be a bit wary of him.
I think you need a frank general chat with Amy about the possibility of a cross over of the dating pool.
If she has dated 20 men in a local area in 5 months, then it is totally unreasonable for this number to be out of bounds to you.
A good friend wouldn't dream of assuming this.

Lifelong · 29/05/2024 12:11

I had to go back and double check...

20 men this year.
4 of which she was engaged with a bit more and disappointed they didn't progress with.

That is a LOT of men to feel you have to cross off.

Not reasonable IMO.