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AIBU?

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To think if one parent can't look after the DC, it's the other parents responsibility to do so?

431 replies

looop114 · 28/05/2024 21:41

And not their partners?

If two parents are separated and one of them becomes unwell (not just a cold but actually very poorly and unable to look after the DC kind of unwell), it should be automatically the other parents responsibility to look after the children and not the unwell parents partner or spouse?

They can if they want to obviously but the initial assumption should be that the other parent will parent their children even though its not "their time" when the other is not able to? Providing both are involved parents.

Aibu to think this is the case and that it's quite entitled to make assumptions that your co parents partner/spouse will look after your DC when the other parent is unwell intstead of you?

OP posts:
MotherofChaosandDestruction · 29/05/2024 17:32

Meadowfinch · 29/05/2024 16:36

@MotherofChaosandDestruction The thing is I work full time and looked after my ds full time apart from ex's 6 hours on a Sunday.

If I thought ds would not have missed his dad, I'd gladly have looked after him 24/7/365 and worked full time. It can be done. I learnt not to rely on my ex for anything, a very long time ago.

In fact it's easier when he isn't around because then he can't let anyone down. 🙄

I feel you, I'm exactly the same and yes, it is easier for me! I work full time and have them and frequently have them on his weekends too. However, if you'd built your life around 50/50 and your survival based around that (paying the bills etc.) and got no CMS because of that then you may feel slightly more desperate.

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 17:33

SpidersAreShitheads · 29/05/2024 17:07

I guess there might be people out there who make it clear that they don't want their partner to have any involvement with their children. Even after they marry and have their own children together.

It's a bizarre situation where you could have children living under your roof 50% of the time but effectively view them as nothing to do with you. I don't think that's a healthy balance for anyone and is just storing up trouble for when they're teens and adults.

As I said earlier, all of the stepfamilies that I know, and the step-relationships that I've had haven't been like this at all, and I'm grateful for that.

Unless there's some huge backstory or serious issues, I think it's a bit shit to treat children like an unwanted intruder in your life.

I do appreciate though that the hands off approach may work for some families. Judging by the posts on here though it seems to cause more strife tbh.

I agree. I wonder if they'd be happy with themselves viewed as 'no more than a neighbour' when the SC exclude them from major life events or would be happy to leave their DHs home if he was the owner straight away if DH died as they are 'not the SCs problem'.

looop114 · 29/05/2024 17:41

I feel like some posters are just conveniently glossing over the fact that I also have things like a job.

Why should the expectation be that I, someone who is not a parent to these DC, lose income/take time off but not their own mother?

OP posts:
looop114 · 29/05/2024 17:41

If they were your own DC, you'd have to look after them while the dad was in hospital

The irony of saying this in defense of a woman who indeed will not look after her own DC while their dad is in hospital...

OP posts:
looop114 · 29/05/2024 17:44

As PPs have said, I have networks open to me for my own children that I simply don't have for DSC. I am sourcing the appropriate care for my children during an emergency situation. She should do the same. It's called parenting surely? It's not always going to fit into some allotted time.

Anyway, I'm ignoring any further requests now and just aending her updates on DH for the DC. I will offer to take them with me to visit in the evenings this week.

And I'll be reminding DH of this the next time she wants him to have them outside of "his time".

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 17:50

SpidersAreShitheads · 29/05/2024 17:07

I guess there might be people out there who make it clear that they don't want their partner to have any involvement with their children. Even after they marry and have their own children together.

It's a bizarre situation where you could have children living under your roof 50% of the time but effectively view them as nothing to do with you. I don't think that's a healthy balance for anyone and is just storing up trouble for when they're teens and adults.

As I said earlier, all of the stepfamilies that I know, and the step-relationships that I've had haven't been like this at all, and I'm grateful for that.

Unless there's some huge backstory or serious issues, I think it's a bit shit to treat children like an unwanted intruder in your life.

I do appreciate though that the hands off approach may work for some families. Judging by the posts on here though it seems to cause more strife tbh.

Not taking on a parental role/the role of a childcare provider isn’t the same thing as having no involvement.

but yes, a parent, being the one responsible for their children, isn’t really in the position to assume a prospective stepparent would be willing to take on a parental role. If they want that it’s on them to make it clear from the beginning, and not marry someone that isn’t going to assume that role.

Ime the strife I see detailed in threads on here usually is because of stepparent is being pressured to take them on as their own.

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 17:52

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 17:33

I agree. I wonder if they'd be happy with themselves viewed as 'no more than a neighbour' when the SC exclude them from major life events or would be happy to leave their DHs home if he was the owner straight away if DH died as they are 'not the SCs problem'.

Why would a stepmother have to leave their home straight away? Quite the assumption that it wouldn’t be bequeathed to her.

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 17:55

“If they were your own DC, you'd have to look after them while the dad was in hospital.”

Yes, like the mother of OP’s stepchildren has to look after her own children, as OP is looking after hers.

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 17:56

SpidersAreShitheads · 29/05/2024 16:59

If they were your own DC, you'd have to look after them while the dad was in hospital.

The OP has the DC 50/50 - they're not just coming round for a weekend once a fortnight. That means that it's their actual home, not just infrequent visitation.

IMO, you treat stepchildren in this situation the same way that you'd treat your own DC. You don't shut them out when times are tough, in the same way that you wouldn't shut your own kids out.

I get that you don't have the same feelings for them as your own biological DC, but it's not right to make them feel unwanted, or as if they're not welcome in their own home.

I've already acknowledged that it would be really helpful for the mum to have them if she can, but yes, I do think in these scenarios that stepmums, and also stepdads, might need to temporarily provide care.

It's not about not having boundaries. It's about the dynamics of a blended family. Blended families are hard work, but if you're going to do it, then I think it's pretty shitty to wash your hands of the kids as soon as your partner isn't there.

I'm probably lucky as I know lots of blended families, with the step-parents really engaged with their step kids. And I'm lucky to be part of that same kind of set-up.

But they're not the OPs own DC. I didn't read past that.

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 17:57

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 17:52

Why would a stepmother have to leave their home straight away? Quite the assumption that it wouldn’t be bequeathed to her.

Quite the assumption that a DH would give a house to someone who states that his dependants are 'not their problem'. It happens all the time.

Chillpill22 · 29/05/2024 18:00

I think YABU OP. It is your partners job, the children's father to arrange childcare when he is ill. My children's father does this to me whenever he is ill and will last minute cancel his time with the kids. The problem with that is he is using me as emergency childcare whilst I cannot use him for emergency childcare. If I am ill or have been in hospital for treatment or anything like that I rely on my family for childcare. For him to rely on me assumes that I am the one who is actually responsible for the kids and its optional for him to have them almost like it's a favour that when he is ill he can get out of. You must know as a mother you can not hand your kids over to someone else when your ill. You still need to look after them. I understand if it's a long term serious illness then arrangements can be made and you can change the contact schedule but think about it from the perspective of their mum. She probably makes plans around the time when her kids are not with her. Should she cancel her plans because their dad is ill. Would it be reciprocated would your partner and you cancel your household's plans because she is ill. As I said long term illness is one thing but short term illnesses their dad has to work out what he will do. Maybe he should rely on his family if you are unwilling to do it. But alot of men don't want to ask their family for favours and when the mum is available but the mum can not ask the dad for favours and instead has to rely on her family. Why aren't you moaning about your partners parents the kids grandparents or aunties and uncles looking after them when he is ill. But again it would probably make you look bad to ask them but it's easier to expect mum to give up her time.

DearestGentleReader · 29/05/2024 18:02

I've already acknowledged that it would be really helpful for the mum to have them if she can, but yes, I do think in these scenarios that stepmums, and also stepdads, might need to temporarily provide care
This is all back to front.
It would be helpful if OP had them, lovely for their DM in fact.
The ex wouldn't be "helping" by looking after her own DC. She'd be parenting them.
And anyway she can't as she has her own you DC in emergency care, her own job and a sick husband to juggle.

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 18:03

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 17:57

Quite the assumption that a DH would give a house to someone who states that his dependants are 'not their problem'. It happens all the time.

Edited

Not really - if they’ve remained married to a person knowing well that they don’t consider his children to be their responsibility then it isn’t a stretch to think they didn’t take issue with that.

Leaving the property you have lived in with your spouse directly to your children isn’t as common as leaving it to said spouse. Houses most commonly become marital property as well, so it would be their house.

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 18:05

Chillpill22 · 29/05/2024 18:00

I think YABU OP. It is your partners job, the children's father to arrange childcare when he is ill. My children's father does this to me whenever he is ill and will last minute cancel his time with the kids. The problem with that is he is using me as emergency childcare whilst I cannot use him for emergency childcare. If I am ill or have been in hospital for treatment or anything like that I rely on my family for childcare. For him to rely on me assumes that I am the one who is actually responsible for the kids and its optional for him to have them almost like it's a favour that when he is ill he can get out of. You must know as a mother you can not hand your kids over to someone else when your ill. You still need to look after them. I understand if it's a long term serious illness then arrangements can be made and you can change the contact schedule but think about it from the perspective of their mum. She probably makes plans around the time when her kids are not with her. Should she cancel her plans because their dad is ill. Would it be reciprocated would your partner and you cancel your household's plans because she is ill. As I said long term illness is one thing but short term illnesses their dad has to work out what he will do. Maybe he should rely on his family if you are unwilling to do it. But alot of men don't want to ask their family for favours and when the mum is available but the mum can not ask the dad for favours and instead has to rely on her family. Why aren't you moaning about your partners parents the kids grandparents or aunties and uncles looking after them when he is ill. But again it would probably make you look bad to ask them but it's easier to expect mum to give up her time.

The father is incapacitated, so yes, it falls onto the mother. His family is no more obliged to step in than OP is. Their mother however, by virtue of being their mother, is. OP is busy enough caring for her own children, as she too is having to juggle that falling entirely upon her.

That it’s inconvenient to the mother isn’t OP’s problem to solve. She’s got her own to deal with.

Marianus · 29/05/2024 18:05

How old are the dc?

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 18:07

SpidersAreShitheads · 29/05/2024 17:07

I guess there might be people out there who make it clear that they don't want their partner to have any involvement with their children. Even after they marry and have their own children together.

It's a bizarre situation where you could have children living under your roof 50% of the time but effectively view them as nothing to do with you. I don't think that's a healthy balance for anyone and is just storing up trouble for when they're teens and adults.

As I said earlier, all of the stepfamilies that I know, and the step-relationships that I've had haven't been like this at all, and I'm grateful for that.

Unless there's some huge backstory or serious issues, I think it's a bit shit to treat children like an unwanted intruder in your life.

I do appreciate though that the hands off approach may work for some families. Judging by the posts on here though it seems to cause more strife tbh.

Totally disagree. I didn't do much childcare for my DSC. When they were here, their Dad did almost all of the parenting. Their mum parented them when they were with her. I was available for emergency childcare only when Dad wasn't here. My DSC and I have a great relationship. They're teenagers now and chose to come independently and stay as and when they wish. No dramas, no fall outs.

Why are some people using such dramatic and over the top language on this thread? I think it's a bit shit to treat children like an unwanted intruder in your life Really? Just because a step-mother says no to childcare of stepchildren?

No one else in society is expected to provide free childcare at the drop of a hat, even if your DH is in hospital, except step-mothers. It's outrageous. Grandparents are told on here all the time "no one is owed free child-care"...

BruFord · 29/05/2024 18:07

@Chillpill22 I appreciate what your saying, but in this case, it sounds as if the DH has helped his ex out before during “her time” but now she won’t reciprocate in an genuine emergency.

The OP is also working and has had to ask other ppl to look after her own children during this emergency. It doesn’t sound as if she’s available to step in. She can’t do anything and the Dad is presumably too ill to make arrangements.

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 18:08

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 18:03

Not really - if they’ve remained married to a person knowing well that they don’t consider his children to be their responsibility then it isn’t a stretch to think they didn’t take issue with that.

Leaving the property you have lived in with your spouse directly to your children isn’t as common as leaving it to said spouse. Houses most commonly become marital property as well, so it would be their house.

It would depend on the lenth of the marriage and the age of the DC. I personally know of two married step mothers that lost their homes.

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 18:10

DaisyChain505 · 29/05/2024 17:18

If parents are split and the parent whose rightful custody time it is falls sick, it should be on them to arrange alternative childcare I think. Why should the other parent have to potentially take time off work/miss out on pay?

Fucking hell. Because they're YOUR children and their other parent can't parent them. The other parent is in hospital. That's why.

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 18:10

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 18:08

It would depend on the lenth of the marriage and the age of the DC. I personally know of two married step mothers that lost their homes.

And the will. I worked in this field, and ime it was more common than not that the house was bequeathed to the spouse.

Ohlookwhoitis · 29/05/2024 18:14

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 17:33

I agree. I wonder if they'd be happy with themselves viewed as 'no more than a neighbour' when the SC exclude them from major life events or would be happy to leave their DHs home if he was the owner straight away if DH died as they are 'not the SCs problem'.

Another one who needs corrected. This is getting tedious. I said the DSC are no more MINE than the kids next door. Tell me why that's factually and biologically incorrect. Everyone else who has wrongly quoted me has refused to answer me. Go on, what bit of that is wrong. Also, what bit of that implies I don't care about them?

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 18:17

Morally, not legally. You willingly chose to marry a man with children. Hence the term 'step mum' rather than 'Dad's current partner'.

Iaskedyouthrice · 29/05/2024 18:17

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 17:57

Quite the assumption that a DH would give a house to someone who states that his dependants are 'not their problem'. It happens all the time.

Edited

It happens far more often the other way round. Plus, you find the men often move on to women who are far more established financially (due to life stage at the time of meeting more than anything else) and it's becoming far more common for those women to keep everything she already has accrued locked down and making sure wills and whatnot are airtight. I know of two women who have done so recently. We are becoming more savvy legally and waking up to being taken advantage of financially, especially when we have our own children to think about and thank god for it. Women are more proactive in protecting themselves too. I think more men bury their heads in the sand. Its very old fashioned to think that the man holds all the cards financially in a blended family.

InterIgnis · 29/05/2024 18:22

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 18:17

Morally, not legally. You willingly chose to marry a man with children. Hence the term 'step mum' rather than 'Dad's current partner'.

and a man chose to marry someone that wasn’t the mother of his eldest children 🤷🏻‍♀️

’Morally’ - lol.

Nopacking · 29/05/2024 18:33

FWIW my only skin in the game is as a child of a second marriage. I see how my mum treated my lovely older brother and as an adult it shapes my view of her.