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To not make my son have his vaccine?

155 replies

Funkytuna · 27/05/2024 19:01

Hello all
So my 13 year old (ADHD and Autistic) was recently supposed to have his HPV vaccine in school. He point blank refused so it was rescheduled for the may half term at the local clinic. However, he is still very much refusing to have the vaccine. I've explained what its for and how serious cancer is (not that he needs me to tbh). But he is so stubborn its unreal. How would other parents deal with this? Both my children have always been up to date on their vaccines and I want him to take his health seriously. That being said it is his body and I cant physically force him.

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FTPM1980 · 28/05/2024 14:34

cannonballz · 28/05/2024 10:11

does he want to have had it but not want to go through the process of having it? That is different from refusal. Will he agree to asking for a sedative to help him go through with it?

Or if he just doesn't want it full stop, then nothing you can do

I have a friend who had to have her son sedated for any medical procedure including vaccination.
The lengths she has to go to try and coordinate this herself is ridiculous. Two or three different nhs departments that won't coordinate. If she gets the sedation they won't vaccinate/don't have the vaccine. And the vaccine team won't liase with the sedation people.

cannonballz · 28/05/2024 14:38

FTPM1980 · 28/05/2024 14:34

I have a friend who had to have her son sedated for any medical procedure including vaccination.
The lengths she has to go to try and coordinate this herself is ridiculous. Two or three different nhs departments that won't coordinate. If she gets the sedation they won't vaccinate/don't have the vaccine. And the vaccine team won't liase with the sedation people.

You can get the sedative prescribed, and take it just before the vaccination - no it isn't always straightforward - we have had instances when the vaccine was withheld after the sedative was taken... but it is an option, if the young person actually WANTS to have had the vaccine

HcbSS · 28/05/2024 14:55

BillyWhitney · 28/05/2024 14:00

So how would you force a teenager into the doctor and force him to sit still?

And then how do you force a nurse to inject a teenager who doesn’t consent?

Quite, you don’t. So let him live with the consequences.

BillyWhitney · 28/05/2024 15:08

HcbSS · 28/05/2024 14:55

Quite, you don’t. So let him live with the consequences.

It isn’t ‘letting’ him live with the consequences, that implies the op can do anything about it. He just will live with the consequences.

Sorrybutnot · 28/05/2024 15:16

OrlandointheWilderness · 28/05/2024 12:26

No @Sorrybutnot I wasn't talking about the OP, sorry if I confused matters. I was talking about the PP who didn't vaccinate her children. I know very well you can't force anyone - I'm a nurse! I also have a DD who refused to have the covid vaccination. We came away and allowed her time. SHE decided she wanted it done and with the help of a numbing cream, a fab HCP and an iPad she was fine. She's recently had the HPV completely under her own steam with not a fuss bless her.

Thankyou for clarification I thought you meant the OP. I think time is what’s needed for my dc too (I hope !) I keep reminding them about it and offering opportunities to rebook 🤞

wendycupcakes · 28/05/2024 16:09

MissyB1 · 28/05/2024 13:09

You are to blame for being utterly selfish, you and your kids benefit from other people taking their responsibilities seriously and doing the right thing. But you can't be arsed 🙄

Thank you for your input.

ageratum1 · 28/05/2024 16:18

You can't force him to an invasive medical procedure which isn't even for his own benefit!

hairtonup · 28/05/2024 17:03

Bumblebeeinatree · 27/05/2024 20:16

Just tell him to suck it up it will be fine, when did these become children's decision.

Edited

Roughly around the same time we started giving children autonomy over their own bodies. Do keep up.

footgoldcycle · 28/05/2024 17:30

CowboyJoanna · 28/05/2024 14:14

YANBU. His body, his choice.

My DH doesn't believe in vaccines so the kids have never had one. When they grow up, they can decide themselves

Does he believe children die from measles!

I have a severely immunosuppressed child. Measles and maybe other illness could kill them. Your husband and you by default are purely selfish

AllTheChaos · 28/05/2024 20:09

BillyWhitney · 28/05/2024 09:42

Condoms don’t enter my world, I’m a dyke.

It will apply to anyone who has sex with men though. And for lesbians it’s worth knowing that a dental dam may not be adequate protection. I raised it because I thought barrier protection would suffice (and was far too old for the HPV jab) and I contracted HPV, and then I got cancer. Which was successfully treated but still not something I would want anyone else to experience if it was avoidable. I just think maybe it’s an area where some of us don’t really know? Maybe I’m just old and out of touch 😂

marie3e · 28/05/2024 20:30

I did the first MMR but not the second, because I concluded the booster wasn't worth the risks over benefits

marie3e · 28/05/2024 20:31

I didn't get my kids the covid vaccine for the same reason

SwingTheMonkey · 28/05/2024 20:51

marie3e · 28/05/2024 20:30

I did the first MMR but not the second, because I concluded the booster wasn't worth the risks over benefits

What are the risks of the booster that outweigh the benefits?

marie3e · 28/05/2024 20:51

SwingTheMonkey · 28/05/2024 20:51

What are the risks of the booster that outweigh the benefits?

You know what they are

SwingTheMonkey · 28/05/2024 20:55

marie3e · 28/05/2024 20:51

You know what they are

I don’t. That’s why I asked.

marie3e · 28/05/2024 20:57

@SwingTheMonkey brain damage. I felt the first vaccine was necessary, giving 80- 95 per cent immunity to measles

marie3e · 28/05/2024 20:57

(Across populations)

AllTheChaos · 28/05/2024 21:28

It’s interesting that there seems to be a link between ASD and needle phobia. I have a needle phobia and it is mortifying, and I discovered as an adult that I am autistic (when getting offspring diagnosed). Said offspring is also phobic.

SplitFountainPen · 28/05/2024 21:30

Take all forceful pressure off and go the bribery route, hard.
Offer a few things and then say to him it's completely up to him but to let you know if he decides he wants it booked and then you'll arrange bribery trip/item for once its done.

AllTheChaos · 28/05/2024 21:30

Incidentally, if this helps anyone, for my needle phobia, when I need to have an injection / bloods taken, I use Emla cream, and take Valium (prescribed whenever I have an injection). I also have headphones and listen to really loud music. It really helps. With those I can force myself to stay still rather than running away / biting people (I did say the phobia was mortifying, it makes me act in absurd ways)

SplitFountainPen · 28/05/2024 21:32

ageratum1 · 28/05/2024 16:18

You can't force him to an invasive medical procedure which isn't even for his own benefit!

It is for his own benefit. The impact of supporting a partner though cancer is huge.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 28/05/2024 21:32

S0livagant · 27/05/2024 19:13

Male cancers associated with HPV are rare. Most men will clear the virus without any health problems. I would leave it up to him.

Yeah, they'll just give it to female partners with the associated cancer risk, but 🙄who cares so long as the boys are OK...

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 28/05/2024 21:35

CowboyJoanna · 28/05/2024 14:14

YANBU. His body, his choice.

My DH doesn't believe in vaccines so the kids have never had one. When they grow up, they can decide themselves

Your DH is a blithering idiot and you knowingly put your children's lives at risk.

Disgusting.

BillyWhitney · 28/05/2024 21:37

AllTheChaos · 28/05/2024 20:09

It will apply to anyone who has sex with men though. And for lesbians it’s worth knowing that a dental dam may not be adequate protection. I raised it because I thought barrier protection would suffice (and was far too old for the HPV jab) and I contracted HPV, and then I got cancer. Which was successfully treated but still not something I would want anyone else to experience if it was avoidable. I just think maybe it’s an area where some of us don’t really know? Maybe I’m just old and out of touch 😂

Probably is something people don’t know… we had it drummed into us at school although I’m too old for the school vaccine too.

Gettingannoyednow · 28/05/2024 21:38

You can't force him to an invasive medical procedure which isn't even for his own benefit!

If it's the Gardasil vaccine it will help protect him from HPV-caused mouth, throat, penile and anal cancers, as well as genital warts. But I agree that he should not be forced into it.