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Alittlelostinlifeisi · 26/05/2024 22:14

I usually wash things when I notice they’re dirty, and I am a bit shortsighted and I observant so it probably takes me longer than most to notice. I wash bedclothes on each bed once a month or 2. I wash my floors every month or 2. I wash my bathrooms every month or 2. I wash my hair once a week. I shower or bath at least once daily but I wash my children about once a week. I work full time in a job that entirely zaps my energy and really struggle with my energy level when I come home hence the washing self to feel better. I feel disgusting. My car is filthy. My wardrobes are a mess. I have too much stuff to keep it all in order. I have always a pile of usually clean laundry just not folded and I never iron. I do keep the dishwasher and washing machine going and the basic kitchen ok, but don’t look in the cupboards or oven or air fryer. Does anyone have any useful judgements or advice for me to not be so lazy😳 am I being unreasonable to think that most people do not live like this?

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SwingingPonytail · 27/05/2024 15:56

Meh. 40 years ago kids were lucky to wash once a week. They don't need daily showers unless they're grubby. I'd up to twice, but that's ok.

Obviously a typo @Garlicnaan You meant 140 years ago.

Mariespip · 27/05/2024 16:01

No judgment here, no need to feel shame. You are overwhelmed and sometimes those feelings makes things feel that they’re impossible, but I think as you clearly want to change things you’ll be able to.

As everyone else is saying, start small and set up a routine for yourself. There are so many good suggestions here to get you on track. I’ve found that since having my second child that routine for everything is the only way to survive.

One thing I do that I don’t feel 100% great about (For the environment and energy bills), is that I won’t always do full washing machine or dishwasher loads and instead do what I have there at the time that doing both tasks fits into my routine. This is because I have small children (under 1 and 3), I don’t expect it to be a forever habit.

Colombie · 27/05/2024 16:02

Big respect to you OP that you are still reading.

This stuff is never black and white, it's all shades of grey. You don't become a neglectful parent if you go 8 days without mopping the floor rather than 7. I would aim for incremental changes. Don't set yourself unrealistic goals - that is setting yourself up to fail. Definitely changing the bedding on the first of the month would be better than doing it every 1-2 months. Bathing the kids twice a week is better than just once. Just washing pillowcases, and maybe sheets, more frequently is a really good idea. @Notthegodofsmallthings 's ideas for 10 mins a day are great. Aim for progress, not perfection.

Atomic Habits says habits are built from doing something consistently - the phrase is keep showing up. Clean something every day, even if it's only for 2 mins on a bad day. Hopefully on better days it'll be more.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/05/2024 16:03

JMSA · 26/05/2024 22:31

You need a cleaner. But a house where the bathrooms are cleaned every month or two would need cleaned first, as you couldn't expect someone to deal with that. But then it's maintenance all the way.

Yes, you absolutely can expect that! You,just need to specify that and agree a higher charge for the first clean before th8ngs move to maintenance (a bit like with a gardener)

VoteHappy · 27/05/2024 16:03

TheRomanticOutlaw · 26/05/2024 23:26

Little kids don’t need bathing every day, they don’t sweat like teens and adults do and it’s not good for their skin.

It's basic hygiene to bathe them daily.

Everyone always goes on about their skin but put in mild bath products designed for children's skin and they are fine.
No-one is talking about scrubbing them and children's baths are shallow for safety.

They need their bottoms etc washed daily anyway and paediatricians recommend daily bathing and clean clothes to reduce illness.
I can't imagine just putting children to bed with no bath it was part of their routine !

SwingingPonytail · 27/05/2024 16:04

Sorry if I've missed this @Alittlelostinlifeisi but

a) are you a single mum?
b) could you afford a cleaner for 2 hours a week?

Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:06

Sadsadworld · 27/05/2024 12:27

Hello OP,

Really courageous of you to post here and to want to make a change, so hard with such young kids and work.

Can you get a day off work when kids are at school to have a chance to clear some stuff? Can anyone help ? Can you afford to pay a cleaner for that day as well, would be such a help. Declutter as much as you can even is it's only one room, so you start to feel a difference.

@Sadsadworld thank you.

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Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:08

groyard · 27/05/2024 12:29

Some posts are unnecessarily harsh. OP knows there is an issue and wants to make changes. No need to be rude. Save that for the people who don’t give a shit what conditions they subject their children to. OP clearly needs encouragement and friendly advice.

Some people are just nasty!

OP - I’m a neat freak so like everything clean and tidy. However, due to depression there will be days where NOTHING gets done. The fact that I have zero to no clutter means my house can never really get THAT bad. I would tackle one room per weekend (doesn’t have to be consecutive of course) and chuck everything. This way I can literally hoover and mop all of downstairs in less than 10 mins. Not possible if there is stuff everywhere. You’ll also get the dopamine from tidying.

I also noticed that when you have less clutter you can actually see when an item needs to be put away/chucked. And it’s easier to maintain.

Good Luck x

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Thank you @groyard

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MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/05/2024 16:09

Monstermunch2 · 27/05/2024 06:38

So she works hard for you ,she's probably busting a gut getting all that done in 2 hours and you give her extra jobs ,so does that too ,but your thinking of only have her every other week, because she works well in those two hours
I hope she tells u to sod off

Eh? So should she be twiddling her thumbs once she's finished the basic tasks?

Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:14

Garlicnaan · 27/05/2024 12:32

Meh. 40 years ago kids were lucky to wash once a week. They don't need daily showers unless they're grubby. I'd up to twice, but that's ok.

I recently booked a few days' annual leave to get the house in order. The key is to get rid of as much stuff as you can. At least half, but probably 75% if you can. Be ruthless. Watch Stacey Solomon for inspiration.

I would set reminders on your phone - so eg wash bedding every 2-3 weeks, put laundry away for 5 mins 3 times a week, etc. get kids to put their own laundry away.

Is the dad on the scene? What does he do?

It took me about 6 years to get him to pull his weight, spurred to action by me absolutely losing the plot with him and giving him an ultimatum of sorts. I suppose was playing nice good wife like the ‘good girl’ I was brought up to be should and it suited him till I woke from that nonsense. He does the bathrooms some weeks (he says but it’s a lot patchier than that) and maybe a third of the laundry. He is very involved with the children so I can’t fault him. He has come a long way. Like someone said, if I left it to him we would live in even worse filth so it’s up to me. I want to make our home beautiful and lovely for our family. This is a new perspective for me. It’s a journey and everyone who has responded here has helped enormously.

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CharlotteRumpling · 27/05/2024 16:16

If he is very involved with the children, maybe he can shower the two youngest every other day.

Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:17

HollyKnight · 27/05/2024 12:44

I think you need to outsource as much as you can afford and set a schedule for the rest. I was brought up by a mentally ill hoarder, so to me, not having piles of crap around me felt like I was doing well. But like you, my habits and environment were still very below "standard". Having awful ADHD definitely does not help. I don't notice mess or dirt the way normal people do. And time just flies by. It's not like I would intentionally wait 2 months to do things. It just took that long for me to think, "Oh when did I last do X?" and then realise it had been months. I might even notice something (a dirty mark on the wall/a potato on the floor/a pile of washing) and think I need to wash/pick up that...later. Then forget about it. So I learned I can't rely on myself to think about these things. I have to do noticeable things right now and set dedicated days and times to do everything else. Getting the kids involved helps too. Having company while you do tasks makes them easier.

Good luck.

@HollyKnight i could have written this. Thank you.

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CelesteCunningham · 27/05/2024 16:19

SwingingPonytail · 27/05/2024 15:56

Meh. 40 years ago kids were lucky to wash once a week. They don't need daily showers unless they're grubby. I'd up to twice, but that's ok.

Obviously a typo @Garlicnaan You meant 140 years ago.

I'm 40 and we were bathed weekly until puberty when we swapped to daily showers. I don't think that's unusual. I certainly never felt unusual among my peers.

As an adult I'm perfectly fragrant I assure you.

Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:19

Freysimo · 27/05/2024 12:48

Please tell me you don't have any pets!

No pets @Freysimo 🙌

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Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:20

iAmBarbara · 27/05/2024 12:50

I’m naturally really messy and to be honest lazy when it comes to housework as I’m always busy it’s easy for it to not be a priority, but I have two children and decided that it’s not fair on them. Im actually really proud (as sad as that sounds!) of how I now manage to keep our house clean and tidy.

Rotas, and to do lists on my phone are what works for me. Then it just becomes part of your weekly routine, for example whether it looks dirty or not I strip the beds every other Sunday (or sooner obviously if I feel it needs doing!)

also doing small amounts everyday to keep on top of things is easier than letting it build up and then having to spend a bigger chunk of time further down the line, for example if I spend 5 minutes doing a quick spray/wipe down of the bathrooms when I’m in there (or whilst the kids are in the bath) then it keeps it nice and clean.

I also find if I like the smell of the cleaning products (I often ‘treat’ myself to some cleaning bits in home bargains) then it encourages me to want to clean.

I also spend 10 minutes each night after the kids are in bed just to ‘reset’ and make sure the main living spaces are clean and tidy so I can sit and relax for the evening. I love sitting down and lighting a candle when it’s all clean and tidy (and smelling nice!)

@iAmBarbara love this 🥰

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Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:22

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 27/05/2024 12:52

Hi OP… so many good ideas here for you, I’d agree start small start with bathing the kids even every other day, now it’s coming to the summer months I seen an influencer use a small paddle pool with warm water and bubble bath if garden is reasonable this will keep kids clean, just thought I’d mention as not seen anyone else post- that level of exhaustion is not ok and I’d suggest a blood test for iron levels/ folate/b12 could be something so simple as this. Set yourself timetables as others suggested beds a certain day, basic clean it will likely make you feel better and encourage you to clean more. Also give your dc take get everyone involved xx

@TwinklyRoseTurtle amazing, so many things are coming up here that resonate. I have had low iron and taken supplements, all part of the awakening to the issue I think 🫶🏻

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EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 27/05/2024 16:25

SwingingPonytail · 27/05/2024 15:56

Meh. 40 years ago kids were lucky to wash once a week. They don't need daily showers unless they're grubby. I'd up to twice, but that's ok.

Obviously a typo @Garlicnaan You meant 140 years ago.

You're quite ageist, aren't you @SwingingPonytail?

Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:26

Howbizarre22 · 27/05/2024 12:57

Exactly- agreed! Lots of judgy judgy pearl clutching going on here. Typical MN. This woman who is clearly struggling with full time work, motivation and young children and I’m guessing either is single or has a useless partner has come on here for support and understanding not to be told she’s a dirty bitch and should be ashamed. Stop being so fucking nasty!

FYI you judgy clean freaks- a child under 10 does not need a daily bath or even every other day. 1-2 a week is fine at a minimum. The person who suggested bathing a young child once a week is neglect needs to clean out their head. Immediately. With their Cillit Bang !! 💥

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@Howbizarre22 hilarious, you made me laugh so much 🤣 🤍

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SwingingPonytail · 27/05/2024 16:26

CelesteCunningham · 27/05/2024 16:19

I'm 40 and we were bathed weekly until puberty when we swapped to daily showers. I don't think that's unusual. I certainly never felt unusual among my peers.

As an adult I'm perfectly fragrant I assure you.

That's not usual.

A lot of my friends have children now aged 35-40 and they all had a bath daily.

You weren't usual.

orangeleopard · 27/05/2024 16:27

I’m a disabled single parent with chronic pain so severe that I have to take morphine each day. I still manage to hoover each day, do laundry each day, wash myself and my son every other day. I have a cleaning day every single Sunday which I change bed covers, clean the bathroom, kitchen etc. I had major surgery on a Monday, came home from hospital wheelchair bound the Tuesday and by the Wednesday I was cleaning my home all on my own. I struggle, as stated I have severe chronic pain that I’m often crying in agony each day but I still manage to keep on top of things. I get it can be mental health conditions preventing people from doing it- but I feel a lot of people make it an excuse.

SwingingPonytail · 27/05/2024 16:29

@Alittlelostinlifeisi I think you've replied to my question in a round about way.

Their dad is at home.

Can you sit down and work on this together?

Draw up a list of all the chores that ever need doing.

Divide the list into chores that need to be done -

daily
weekly
fortnightly
monthly
once in a blue moon

Then create a His & Hers list based on that.

Print it off and pin it on the wall/fridge etc and tick it off each day.

If you're both working full time and have 3 kids, is there enough money for £20 a week for a cleaner? You might get 2 hours for that (depending where you live.)

There is no way you should be doing this yourself or your partner not pulling his weight.

Cattery · 27/05/2024 16:30

You’ll be ok OP. Just get into a routine

Donotneedit · 27/05/2024 16:32

Nanny0gg · 27/05/2024 15:25

This isn't it though, is it?

The OP is clearly overwhelmed and is asking for help.

And it's much easier to enjoy your children in a relatively clear, relatively clean space

I don’t know, is she partly overwhelmed because she is just putting a load of unnecessary pressure on herself? It’s too easy to miss out on our children growing up because we get fixated on things like cleaning, only she will know where the line is but there’s nothing shameful about what she’s currently doing in my opinion

Alittlelostinlifeisi · 27/05/2024 16:32

Aria999 · 27/05/2024 13:53

The other thing I find helpful is I have a big wipeable mat stuck to the wall with all the cleaning tasks on and the date I did them as otherwise I sometimes don't realize when I have left something for ages!

@Aria999 this might help me stay on top of it, thank you!

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NotTooOldPaul · 27/05/2024 16:35

I agree with the idea of a routine and not trying to do too much. My wife is now disabled and can hardly walk without help so I need to do everything.
We pay a cleaner to come every four weeks (to be accurate it is 2 cleaners who come for one and a half hours). This means that I tidy up ready for them. I strip the bed and they remake it so it does get changed every four weeks.
Just having this regular push makes it so much easier. It costs me £41 each time but would take longer, and cost more, for a bigger house.