That women should not have to share changing rooms with men

[WandsOut]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13459927/NHS-chiefs-legal-action-female-nurses-changing-room-transgender.html

This is absolutely horrific and probably the first of many cases we will see now. Please read the article in full but this alone is appalling. The response by their HR should be noted because that is what is going to happen to every woman who complains about this if we keep allowing these fraudulent men to get away with what they want.

One of the nurses told The Mail on Sunday: 'We don't feel safe because we strip down to our underwear and [the individual] doesn't just stay by his locker. 'He walks around the changing room in his boxer shorts.'
Another nurse said she was 'close to tears' during one incident in the changing room.
She said: 'I was rummaging in my bag trying to find my lanyard and keys for the locker when a man's voice behind me said, 'Are you not getting changed yet?' 'I found my keys and opened my locker and I was asked again, 'Are you not getting changed yet?'.'
The woman, who was sexually abused as a child, has posttraumatic stress disorder and struggles to be alone around men. She said: 'He stood there, two metres away from me, with a scrub top on and with tight black boxer shorts with holes in them and asked a third time whether I was getting changed yet.
'Flight or fight mode kicked in but I felt glued to my seat, I could not move. 'My hands started to sweat. I was petrified and felt sick and began hyperventilating.'
In March, 26 nurses wrote to management saying that the transgender nurse 'has made no secret' of the fact that 'he has stopped taking female hormones and is trying to inseminate his female partner'.
AIBU to suggest NOW is the time to wake up, en masse and stop allowing BE KIND to be a mantra that allows predatory men access to women at their most vulnerable.

The ward sister will do what they can to best allocate resources. They can offer a choice between delayed care from a female nurse or prompt care from an available male when no female is readily available. They are responsible for judging when to override consent because a situation is critical or potentially critical.

Is anyone really too ideological to see that medical emergencies trump trauma?

All three of these women are moderately curvy, slim but pear shapef

someone who was born into the wrong body.

This doesn’t happen, you do know that?

And no one actually ‘transitions’

They use hormones and / or surgery, but the person’s sex doesn’t actually transition to another sex

With something like intimate care, I cannot imagine a situation where only men would be available. Nothing ideological about women specifying this.

To @EasternStandard , @TheKeatingFive , @ThaMiSporsail and anyone else who claims there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body:

The NHS and most other major health organisations in the Western world disagree with you. The condition is called gender dysphoria. It is not a mental illness; it is a perceived mismatch between your physical sex and the gender you feel you are.

You are welcome to your own opinion, but you have no basis for stating it as bald fact

I do hope you don't work in healthcare. Ignoring the need for patient consent (where the patient has capacity to give it) or overriding their refusal to give it would constitute assault. Only those willing to lose their registration would even contemplate it.

In a medical emergency there will be many doctors and nurses around and, if they are aware enough to even notice, patients don't care what sex. A smear test or mammogram are not life and death emergencies.

Part of Wes Streeting's talk at the Hay Festival (from the Times, so paywall, sorry): He has admitted he should have spoken up sooner in defence of women dismissed as bigots because of their concerns about women-only spaces and their erasure from NHS documents.
The shadow health secretary and former senior Stonewall official said his self-reflection began when he saw the attacks on JK Rowling and Rosie Duffield, his fellow Labour MP, who were accused of transphobia.
Streeting, who was president of the National Union of Students when it no-platformed Julie Bindel because of her views on sex-based rights, said the treatment of many women had been “wrong and counterproductive and not a way to handle such a sensitive issue”.
He told the Hay Festival: “I think there is absolutely a fair challenge and criticism to say that gender-critical feminists and women who have been raising concerns about women-only spaces or erasure from NHS documents and those sorts of issues were written off as bigots and prejudiced and people sort of shut them down.”

Someone seems to be seeing which way the wind is blowing...

Not necessarily

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/05/24/can-keir-starmer-be-trusted-on-trans-rights/

I expect the issue will be debated in one of the forthcoming TV debates, so what this space.

Here we agree. I wasn’t the one insisting on hypothetical answers to hypothetical questions. After I told you that within common sense limits I was fine with honouring women’s choices (my phrase about integrating overall ward needs with these choices) you kept pushing

It seems clear you don’t have long experience as an HCP, at minimum, because sadly in my experience your statement that emergencies only occur when wards are well populated is false

‘perceived mismatch’

So not ‘born in the wrong body’ then, which implies some sort of biological anomaly.

I am honouring these people by using their phrase.

How are you defining gender?

If it is not a mental disorder but merely this mismatch then I know what sex someone is, can you describe gender?

I think the subject of this thread is proof that the NHS is ideologically captured.

How about honouring truth and honesty?

The condition is called gender dysphoria. It is not a mental illness; it is a perceived mismatch between your physical sex and the gender you feel you are.

wut?

I liken it to placing a fox in a hen house!

Where do women fit in to your language?

Women who tell you they want privacy and dignity in their own spaces

Do you work in healthcare, it’s troubling you downplay what women are saying here

Your telling me they walk, act, smell, have small hands and feet and appear to you to be women. Nah, you know they are men or you wouldnt call them transwomen.

How do you know they had any genital mutilation surgery?
How could we know if they had surgery?

Why dont we stick to what used to be normal and no men in women only spaces, no matter the size of the Adams apple or unknown genital surgery status.

But remember. You’re honouring the fox.

The NHS and most other major health organisations in the Western world disagree with you. The condition is called gender dysphoria. It is not a mental illness; it is a perceived mismatch between your physical sex and the gender you feel you are.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness with its own diagnostic criteria. It is not the same as being 'trans' the two have been decoupled after lobbying from TRAs.

According to the NHS website: Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.
This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life.

So... a feeling?

Hopefully if you are alone when you encounter a medical emergency you will have to good sense to pull the emergency call bell to summon lots of help. Do you find many patients in a state of collapse that have the capacity to negotiate the sex of their care giver?

I spent many years in healthcare, your assertion that a healthcare provider can override patient consent is concerning.

And someone with a psychotic disorder isn't ill they just occasionally have an incongruence with their actual Vs perceived place in the royal family.

SDP are also fairly sensible on this.
(Not to be confused with SNP who are definitely NOT)