That women should not have to share changing rooms with men

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13459927/NHS-chiefs-legal-action-female-nurses-changing-room-transgender.html

This is absolutely horrific and probably the first of many cases we will see now. Please read the article in full but this alone is appalling. The response by their HR should be noted because that is what is going to happen to every woman who complains about this if we keep allowing these fraudulent men to get away with what they want.

One of the nurses told The Mail on Sunday: 'We don't feel safe because we strip down to our underwear and [the individual] doesn't just stay by his locker. 'He walks around the changing room in his boxer shorts.'
Another nurse said she was 'close to tears' during one incident in the changing room.
She said: 'I was rummaging in my bag trying to find my lanyard and keys for the locker when a man's voice behind me said, 'Are you not getting changed yet?' 'I found my keys and opened my locker and I was asked again, 'Are you not getting changed yet?'.'
The woman, who was sexually abused as a child, has posttraumatic stress disorder and struggles to be alone around men. She said: 'He stood there, two metres away from me, with a scrub top on and with tight black boxer shorts with holes in them and asked a third time whether I was getting changed yet.
'Flight or fight mode kicked in but I felt glued to my seat, I could not move. 'My hands started to sweat. I was petrified and felt sick and began hyperventilating.'
In March, 26 nurses wrote to management saying that the transgender nurse 'has made no secret' of the fact that 'he has stopped taking female hormones and is trying to inseminate his female partner'.
AIBU to suggest NOW is the time to wake up, en masse and stop allowing BE KIND to be a mantra that allows predatory men access to women at their most vulnerable.

The majority of children who are abused are female.

'Reported CSAE is heavily gendered, as expected, with males (82% of all CSAE perpetrators) predominantly abusing females (79% of victims).'

https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/vkpp-launch-national-analysis-of-police-recorded-child-sexual-abuse-and-exploitation-csae-crimes-report-2022

As you note, the majority of sexual assault victims are female. (85%, iirc)

Virtually all sexual assaults are committed by males. (98-99%).

The one absolutely enormous denominator when it comes to risk is sex.

Females are more at risk from males, whatever the age, relationship, location, context. By virtue of proclitivity of males, strength, size, weight, and in many cases women are vulnerable to being made pregnant, which is of course an additional risk of a life changing event.

The idea of 'trans' removes the factor of 'sex' from the equation, and thus using 'gender' as a basis for making risk assessments renders all females significantly more at risk.

Women only parks sounds bloody heavenly, tbh.

They've always been under the umbrella, they just used to keep quiet about it:

https://womenspeakscotland.com/2021/06/23/the-trans-umbrella-is-older-than-you-think/

If you have read my posts you know I favour single sex changing rooms.

Yes I think the ‘higher discourse’ idea needs to go by now

It’s obviously not the case and is just another way to try and close down women on this topic

And you did post in AIBU, OP

No you don't. You favour women and castrated men in the same changing room

I’m not the one keeping it alive, you lot are so that’s squarely on you

Since nobody is checking people's genitals, that just means mixed sex. You have no way of knowing whether a man has had his penis removed before he enters a women's changing room.

What alive?

I mean your repeated claim you are engaging in ‘higher discourse’

I don’t think that’s standing up to scrutiny tbf

Not repeating it. Also repeatedly correcting many mistakes and answering rather silly questions from PP who have not read. Of course all of that affects the tone

The 187 reports on this substack are 187 too many, but the same can be said of all sexual abuse, violent crime and murder.

They occurred in North America, India and throughout Europe. Some are undated, but the dated ones range from 1978-2022, a span of 44 years. They skew later. Spread out as they are however, there is no sense of an epidemic of crimes by trans women - there are plenty of equally awful crimes committed by men and some by women.

As men sadly commit equally repulsive crimes in greater numbers, I am not sure what the point of this list is.

Trans women are men @poetryandwine and pretending they aren't isn't doing anyone any favours.

Someone will be able to post the recent stats about the rates of sexual offences by men who identify as women in who are incarcerated in UK prisons. Or maybe you can take a look yourself rather than making the women here do all the work whilst you rest on your superiority and glibly give our spaces away.

Also, I have a teenage autistic daughter who has already been scared by man in the bathroom at a public venue, the bastard stood in right front of her as she came out of the cubicle. Guess what made him a woman? He was wearing a blue bra under a see through shirt.

So I'm going to ask you a question. Do you think it's appropriate for a teenage girl to be sharing a public bathroom with an adult male?

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12747575/caged-sex-beast-david-smith-change-gender-woman/

Is this a woman @poetryandwine?

Those stats are already upthread, poetry didn't like them because the census question was poorly worded (it was, but strangely some of us don't think that's the most important issue when discussing sexual violence), and because they don't differentiate between men who've had their genitals surgically altered and men who haven't.

Poetry thinks the men who have had cosmetic surgery are women. Many women don't agree (and some of us think that their criminality is the thing to pay attention to) but that's by the by as poetry thinks they've earned womanhood and has bestowed it upon them.

As men sadly commit equally repulsive crimes in greater numbers, I am not sure what the point of this list is.

They are men. That's the point, as I think you know. The Sex Matters stats are upthread, TW commit crimes in type and number like men, not like women. Because they are men.That's the point.

>awaits reply ignoring the male pattern criminality and asking how many of those men had had genital surgery.

Why are we allowing men to use female toilets. Let men be kind and open up their toilets. It’s always women who have to be kind. Men don’t care. Nothing new there.

Yep men can be supportive

Why not? It’s relating to their sex class not ours

Okay you do make some good points but all the whataboutery about other ways in which men perpetrate violence on women only weakens arguments about men who prey on women being allowed access to women’s spaces.

I’ll gently pass on that @Winnading informed me upthread that one can be banned for using the phrase ‘TW’. Do you agree with her?

Of course, but we can always enlarge our focus in order to change the discussion

Poetry respects data over anecdote.

Poetry supports the idea of properly studying the problem.

Poetry supports the restoration of public services and proper staffing levels. What happened to OP’s daughter was despicable. If the room had been monitored by one or two adult females as in my home country, the rate of such incidents would be very near zero. The Conservatives who know what a woman is haven’t been very interested in making us safe, have they?

I don't want to change the discussion. Changing the discussion is just quibbling about which men deserve to be counted as women and therefore allowed into women's single sex spaces. My answer is, none.

Umm, a few pages back you were on gendered souls and men who have earned the right to be women. Wanting to base policy on 'the males I know are lovely' is really not respecting data over anecdote

But the point is we have no idea how many if the 187 are trans women, and it is a count over 44 years and many countries. The crimes are wide ranging; the count is repetitive.

Not a huge number about crimes in single sex spaces, particularly as against other forms of violence against women. Like in their homes

I have never wished to base policy on individuals nor implied I did.