That women should not have to share changing rooms with men

[WandsOut]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13459927/NHS-chiefs-legal-action-female-nurses-changing-room-transgender.html

This is absolutely horrific and probably the first of many cases we will see now. Please read the article in full but this alone is appalling. The response by their HR should be noted because that is what is going to happen to every woman who complains about this if we keep allowing these fraudulent men to get away with what they want.

One of the nurses told The Mail on Sunday: 'We don't feel safe because we strip down to our underwear and [the individual] doesn't just stay by his locker. 'He walks around the changing room in his boxer shorts.'
Another nurse said she was 'close to tears' during one incident in the changing room.
She said: 'I was rummaging in my bag trying to find my lanyard and keys for the locker when a man's voice behind me said, 'Are you not getting changed yet?' 'I found my keys and opened my locker and I was asked again, 'Are you not getting changed yet?'.'
The woman, who was sexually abused as a child, has posttraumatic stress disorder and struggles to be alone around men. She said: 'He stood there, two metres away from me, with a scrub top on and with tight black boxer shorts with holes in them and asked a third time whether I was getting changed yet.
'Flight or fight mode kicked in but I felt glued to my seat, I could not move. 'My hands started to sweat. I was petrified and felt sick and began hyperventilating.'
In March, 26 nurses wrote to management saying that the transgender nurse 'has made no secret' of the fact that 'he has stopped taking female hormones and is trying to inseminate his female partner'.
AIBU to suggest NOW is the time to wake up, en masse and stop allowing BE KIND to be a mantra that allows predatory men access to women at their most vulnerable.

Of course it bothers me. For all the reasons on this thread.

I also ask myself, what kind of man puts his feelings and need for affirmation above the discomfort and dignity of girls and women?
What kind of man is so intent on accessing female only spaces that he is will to open the floodgates to every pervert who decides they are a woman now?
What kind of man puts his feelings above the safety of women?

A fully, physically transitioned man cannot easily be discerned from someone with XX chromosomes. I have camped with them and swum with them. I really wonder how many who are assuring me of the opposite have any personal knowledge to back up their claims

Let’s be literal - you really wouldn’t know the difference between changing next to a well conditioned swimmer and a fully physically transitioned woman unless you stared very carefully, and probably not where you’re thinking.

Well that’s a particularly weird statement.

A tiny, tiny proportion of TW “fully transition”.

odds of being next to one in a changing room are probably smaller than winning the lottery.

so let’s focus on the ones that haven’t undergone any meaningful transition and still have fully functioning penii, most of which get hard when wearing women’s clothing, or being in women’s spaces, or being called “she”.

How can you say what bothers women? You are closed to reading posts beyond thinking first about born in the wrong body friends

Also you may wish to distinguish between a person you think meets the requirement of entry but you cannot in law do so. You also cannot even ask for a GRC with or without surgery.

Women lose the privacy and dignity of single sex spaces due to your why does it bother you thinking

It’s a no. Women don’t have to consent to what you want

And as you are a HCP I find your views concerning

Sadly replying in kind

Thinking I am an HCP only shows you have not been reading my posts, so I will return the favour

They are still men.
Men with fake boobs and loaded with hormones granted, but still men.

My boobs and hormones are not what make me a woman. They alone are not what has oppressed me, denied me, made me a victim in so many ways.
Being a woman has.

I am not a costume that can be put on with some make up and implants.

Your friend still has that male violence and that entitlement that is so evident as he invades women's spaces.

Please see the bigger picture.

I have just seen a clip on X of bloke after bloke in women's clothing or fetishwear masturbating in women's bathrooms. Even with blurring I suspect it's too pornographic to link to here but it's sickening.

Any man who wishes to hoodwink women into believing he's female in order to gain access to women's spaces should be nowhere near those spaces.

Obviously.

Can you please cite why you think most TW are aroused by wearing women’s clothing?

Some posts back I was doing a search that mentioned men who are aroused by this cross dressing. It has nothing to do with gender preference or sexual orientation according to what I read. Happy to be corrected if you cite a medical or scientific source

Are you not?

Thank goodness for that.

Do you work in the NHS? Still concerning if so.

I found one the other day. Will find it later. 👋

You first

That was for @EasternStandard

Ooh transphobic much.

You are not allowed to say cross dressers are not trans.

They come under the umbrella.
As does pips bunce, who is a woman part of the week and a man part of the week. Pips Twitter header says pips is trans.
Ergo cross dressers can be trans and you most definitely are being transphobic.

If you didn't want people to conclude you were a HCP, perhaps you should rethink the wording in posts like this. Which (to me) is clearly suggestive of you being one.

Not sure it’s been formally studied yet but Reddit is an eye opener.

I don’t work in the NHS. Do you?

I’m ex-NHS HR. This shit wouldn’t be happening in my (then) org. The DEI lead had to get stuff though me, and it didn’t happen.

Are we talking about AGP? Hard to deny its existence when prominent trans spokespeople like Grayson Perry and Debbie Hayton are totally open about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology

Studying patients who had felt like women at all times for at least a year, Blanchard classified them according to whether they were attracted to men, women, both, or neither.. He then compared these four groups regarding how many in each group reported a history of sexual arousal together with cross-dressing. 73% of the gynephilic, asexual, and bisexual groups said they did experience such feelings, but only 15% of the androphilic group did. He concluded that asexual, bisexual, and gynephilic transsexuals were motivated by erotic arousal to the thought or image of themself as a woman, and he coined the term autogynephilia to describe this.

Obviously, Wikipedia is unreliable but it's a start...

"Well conditioned swimmer" like these two? Can't tell them apart? Really?

You seem confused.

Trans is nothing to do with sexual orientation, you're right, so I'm not sure why you added sexual orientation to your post on a thread about transwomen using women's spaces.

AGP is a well known fetish which if you know several TW I'm sure you know about. There is plentiful research on the subject so you don't need me to find that for you.

AGP absolutely is to do with 'gender preference', do you think males who are aroused by cross dressing aren't transgender? According to Stonewall they are. It's very transphobic to suggest otherwise. Men who are aroused by the idea of themselves as women are transwomen, and some of them do have the genital surgery despite being heterosexual. Debbie Hayton has recently published about that.

You may be thinking more of 'old school' transsexuals, those who wanted to 'pass' as well as possible and be 'stealth' in relationships wiht men Sometimes called HSTS - or truscum as they are disparagingly known in some trans circles. Those old school transwomen are now vastly outnumbered and shouted down by AGP males, in both TQ+ organisations and in public discourse.

You cannot allow the dysphoric, homosexual, trying to pass TW into women's spaces without also allowing in the AGP TW, or for that matter any chancer who isn't either but sees a way of taking advantage. It can't be done. So it had to be none of them.