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To think we are being lined up for something?

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BeverForget · 23/05/2024 22:09

I work in food supply chain.
Four of the 'big' grocery retailers have just asked to renegotiate at least four weeks min supply, as opposed to two.
This happened in Feb 2020 as well.
Lots of rhetoric about being on a war footing, from politicos.
And then Sunak essentially jumping ship yesterday, as though he knows there is a crisis on the horizon that he wants no part of.
There is no way that the Tories have a prayer in a July election.
So what do they know that they aren't telling us?

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llizzie · 28/05/2024 16:29

Snippysocks · 28/05/2024 16:19

My uncle was destined for the coal mines. Without Conscription his talent in maths would never have been recognised (his village school was absolutely hopeless and most boys ended up doing work for the coal pits - above or under ground). Conscription meant that he finished his time in the army as a major.

Precisely my point.

Razorwire · 28/05/2024 16:31

Lining up for … Labour 100% open borders.

llizzie · 28/05/2024 16:38

If 18+ children had had some sort of national military or social service training, would they have been able to help more in the pandemic?

Local authorities were suppposed to set up emergency Committees for dealing with accidents and diseases on a large scale, yet when it came to the pandemic, they did not even have enough PPE in store, or any preparation for lockdowns.

The memory of that might be in Sunak's mind. Also, the best carers are from Africa, because they are taught at an early age to honour their parents and care for them in old age. Britain is short of carers, short of a lot of people to do with care. If training as a nursing assistant, or paramedic and other positions was included in the compulsory social service, or even military service includes training as medics, would it not be worth it?

Some young people may discover that they were able to excel in something they never thought to do.

Iwasafool · 28/05/2024 16:57

How about the people who were getting paid for doing nothing on furlough do a bit of volunteering? I'm sure some do but maybe compulsory volunteering for the rest would be useful.

JenniferBooth · 28/05/2024 18:29

Iwasafool · 28/05/2024 16:57

How about the people who were getting paid for doing nothing on furlough do a bit of volunteering? I'm sure some do but maybe compulsory volunteering for the rest would be useful.

How old are you @Iwasafool Cos people didnt choose furlough They were forced into it. You would have been one of the first to complain had they tried to illegally go to work. OR perhaps im wrong and you supported the guy who was fined for opening his gym.

So which is it?

GivePeaceAChance · 28/05/2024 18:41

llizzie · 28/05/2024 16:25

I am not sure about that. I remember there was a programme on BBC TV - which highlighted prospects for children for careers. How many parents know what prospects their children have for careers? Are there career officers in their area, in their schools? Do children even know what careers are available for them? Are schools labelling children before they even pass them on to a careers expert?

Perhaps some form of military or social service would give some 18 year olds an idea of what is possible for them. Many children grow up believing that they will work in the local factory as their parents did, because no one has told them they don't have to.

I will not forget that one child wanted to go into the medical profession. She wanted to be a doctor.

When the teacher was asked if that was possible, the teacher replied that the family is poor and she was unlikely to achieve the goal so better she was guided into a career which was more in keeping with her family background. (or words to that effect as it was some time ago)

Now that appalled me. It might not other people, and that is the problem. There has always been a shortage of career teachers in schools, which could be why children leave school without an aim in life. It could be why children see no future in exams.

I once asked a child why he wasn't at school, and he said school was useless, that he wanted to be a mechanic and they didn't learn anything at school for that. It is heartbreaking when children cannot see the benefits of education. I told the lad that the point of school apart from learning a particular subject was to show future employers that his brain was capable of taking in knowledge and remembering it for exams. I like to think he took notice of that.

My dh was the same.
His comp school told him to go the the factories near him. He went to Uni and became an architect.
I was told not to study Architecture because it doesn’t fit in with family life and I’m a girl it’s not what girls do by my school.

Its all about spreading your wings, opening your eyes and trying something out that you may never have had an opportunity to try.

Prawnbacteria · 28/05/2024 20:34

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GivePeaceAChance · 28/05/2024 21:05

Prawnbacteria · 28/05/2024 20:34

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eggplant16 · 28/05/2024 21:24

WhiteLily1 · 28/05/2024 00:28

No. He is appealing to the boomers. Ie the youth of the today is useless and needs teaching a thing or two’ brigade.
Elders thinking the youth of today are out of control and need teaching a thing or two is something that elders have thought for hundreds of years- it’s well written about historically.
It’s just a ploy to target a certain band of potential voters.
The fact you think that everyone would hate the idea is naive but sweet

I think I might be a boomer and I think its a ridiculous idea. It appeals to flag waving types. Anything beginning with the words " bring back" is just silly.

Poor kids can't even get a volunteering role for D of E.

Iwasafool · 28/05/2024 21:45

JenniferBooth · 28/05/2024 18:29

How old are you @Iwasafool Cos people didnt choose furlough They were forced into it. You would have been one of the first to complain had they tried to illegally go to work. OR perhaps im wrong and you supported the guy who was fined for opening his gym.

So which is it?

Most of my family were working because that was the reality for teachers, nurses, midwives, doctors.

They didn't choose furlough but they took plenty of money so why shouldn't they give something back rather than kids who had no choice either but didn't get anything for it.

GivePeaceAChance · 28/05/2024 21:54

Iwasafool · 28/05/2024 21:45

Most of my family were working because that was the reality for teachers, nurses, midwives, doctors.

They didn't choose furlough but they took plenty of money so why shouldn't they give something back rather than kids who had no choice either but didn't get anything for it.

Presumably @Iwasafool this thought re ‘those who take money from the Government should give something back’ by its very nature should include ALL people who take money from the Government.

Or is it just people furloughed in a pandemic. A relatively short time rearly in the grand scale of things.

llizzie · 28/05/2024 23:50

GivePeaceAChance · 28/05/2024 18:41

My dh was the same.
His comp school told him to go the the factories near him. He went to Uni and became an architect.
I was told not to study Architecture because it doesn’t fit in with family life and I’m a girl it’s not what girls do by my school.

Its all about spreading your wings, opening your eyes and trying something out that you may never have had an opportunity to try.

Good for you. My concern is that children are not getting the right advice. As you have proved, children can surprise us once they spread their wings.

Perhaps such a scheme as outlined by Sunak might well help many children. If nothing else, he at least knows the problems facing children whose family ancestors came from other parts of the world.

MagicFox · 29/05/2024 07:04

Here's a good podcast on what lies behind the suggestion of this scheme: listen from beginning until at least 5 mins in

Gunnersforthecup · 29/05/2024 12:08

MagicFox · 29/05/2024 07:04

Here's a good podcast on what lies behind the suggestion of this scheme: listen from beginning until at least 5 mins in

Could you give is the link please Smile?

WinterMorn · 30/05/2024 08:39

This isn’t really anything new. This interference has gone on for a long time in one form or another.

Igotjelly · 30/05/2024 09:14

WinterMorn · 30/05/2024 08:39

This isn’t really anything new. This interference has gone on for a long time in one form or another.

Agree, hybird warfare is nothing new. Litvinenko or Skripals anyone? Not to mention the jamming of GPS signals and sabotage of underwater cables.

Devonbabs · 05/06/2024 06:46

GivePeaceAChance · 28/05/2024 18:41

My dh was the same.
His comp school told him to go the the factories near him. He went to Uni and became an architect.
I was told not to study Architecture because it doesn’t fit in with family life and I’m a girl it’s not what girls do by my school.

Its all about spreading your wings, opening your eyes and trying something out that you may never have had an opportunity to try.

I can remember applying to do law at uni. My history teacher turned round and said “well that’s a waste on an application, only kids from private schools get accepted”. I happily got an offer from every uni I applied to.

My parents did t know of any careers. They thought factory, shop work of cater were the only options.

absolutely no guidance at all.

pollymere · 05/06/2024 10:17

I have a possible answer! My DH is very good at this sort of stuff. (I told my boss in 2020 that I wouldn't be in next week as the whole country would be in Lockdown and the government would've shut schools by the Friday. He said there was no chance 😂)

Apparently there is a good chance we won't have drivers to deliver goods due to an impending strike so Stores are stockpiling to ensure that this Strike won't impact supply levels in the shops.

I also stand by my measles epidemic possibility though. I took my DC to A&E and it was covered in "Could it be measles?" posters. Also my friend took her DC in with a rash and got told it could be measles!

MotherFeministWoman · 05/06/2024 10:30

pollymere · 05/06/2024 10:17

I have a possible answer! My DH is very good at this sort of stuff. (I told my boss in 2020 that I wouldn't be in next week as the whole country would be in Lockdown and the government would've shut schools by the Friday. He said there was no chance 😂)

Apparently there is a good chance we won't have drivers to deliver goods due to an impending strike so Stores are stockpiling to ensure that this Strike won't impact supply levels in the shops.

I also stand by my measles epidemic possibility though. I took my DC to A&E and it was covered in "Could it be measles?" posters. Also my friend took her DC in with a rash and got told it could be measles!

My husband is a lorry driver and has heard nothing about this.

parkrun500club · 05/06/2024 12:30

Why do the road hauliers want to go on strike? It's usually about fuel prices. I don't think they are particularly high at the moment? It doesn't sound very convincing a reason.

parkrun500club · 05/06/2024 12:34

Kandalama · 26/05/2024 18:19

It’s National service.
No fighting in a war.
No one’s getting shot at.

Its basically glorified scouts, ccf, d of e with marching and fatigue’s.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

My uncle did his NS in Malaya and was absolutely fired on (though he spent most of his time playing football apparently).

FIL did his in India at the time of Partition.

If you had done it in the 70s you might have ended up in Northern Ireland.

GivePeaceAChance · 05/06/2024 12:50

parkrun500club · 05/06/2024 12:34

My uncle did his NS in Malaya and was absolutely fired on (though he spent most of his time playing football apparently).

FIL did his in India at the time of Partition.

If you had done it in the 70s you might have ended up in Northern Ireland.

The post war reasons for National service were very different to the reasons now.
They are not comparable.

Goldenbear · 05/06/2024 13:02

GivePeaceAChance · 05/06/2024 12:50

The post war reasons for National service were very different to the reasons now.
They are not comparable.

Really, what are the reasons for introducing it now, unless you mean it is because of the self serving, edge of the apocalypse, fear mongering politics the Conservative party like to indulge in to win elections?