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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Lol

And cuts both ways 🙄

Yeah that scaremongering isn’t going to work on me. That shite happened now under the Tories

Just mentioned this to my dad. He says he doesn’t remember any of that, sounds like coswallop and he can’t wait to get rid of the Tories. He’s 71 .

Of course I don't 🤣🤣

I’m sure that’s how some people form their choice.

Equally, I’m sure that many people are drawn to a party (or repelled by one) based on values.

Class/income used to be the great dividing line in voter demographics but it’s basically become irrelevant in recent years and is simply not a good predictor of someone’s voting intention. That likely suggests that self-interest is not a popular basis upon which people cast their vote.

People who can afford it will just have to cough up more tax. I wouldn't be thrilled to do so, but I could easily pay quite a lot more a month and it wouldn't impact my lifestyle and I could certainly feed and house my family.

More tax makes an awful lot more sense than removing benefits that barely keep people's head above water, leading to problems that just cost the public purse more. It's inefficient as well as cruel. We are not a high-tax country, the world won't end if we have to pay a bit more.

Tbh, after all these years of a hellish, cruel, criminally incompetent Tory government, I'm letting myself finally feel amused to read all the 'well, I'm voting Tory' comments and even the obvious bots all over MN, knowing that we'll have a Labour government in just a few weeks time.

Knock yourselves out, you big-hearted geniuses, and pour yourself a few more lies... it's nearly game over for your shower of vicious, self-serving fuckers, and not one second too soon for a country that is desperate for CHANGE.

More tax would be fine if the tax already being paid was being used in some sort of constructive way. At this point it would just be throwing good money after bad!

Which proves the point some are making that what comes next isn't necessarily better and can be worse. Just because one option isn't good doesn't mean the other will be better. Liz Truss replaced Boris. Things didn't get better. They got worse.

What are Labour going to do for those struggling? People in poverty, the disabled, the vulnerable?

I understand Angela Rayner recently spoke about addressing the housing problems by building new towns including necessary infrastructure. Sounds promising, but I noticed she said only 40% of the homes will be affordable (and "affordable" wasn't clearly defined).

The housing problems she speaks about are about affordable homes. There's already housing for people with money. The main need is more council housing, and if Labour genuinely want to deal with the housing problems the percentage council homes in New Town, or any new housing builds, needs to be at least 60%, if not higher. Also, did she mention ending RTB? That's something that should be a priority.

It'd be great if things really did get better but I won't get too hopeful just yet

Bye!

But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd**

😆😆 Because the Tories have been fantastic in improving these things for younger generations

Yup. The efforts to paint the Tory party as a supporter of women is pathetic and laughable.

The Tory party do not support women. They especially hate poor women, disabled women and women in any ethnic minority. They don't give one single teeny tiny shit about women, and we all know it.

The thing is, our tax take isn’t that far out of whack compared to other countries. Despite what Tory shills have us believe.

What is happening and has happened is that governments have chosen the expensive options so we get less for our pound. Things like privatisation, outsourcing, using consultants, using PFI, not keeping hold of key infrastructure comes at great cost. This started under Thatcher, who adopted rich man economic theory (aka worshipping the free market at all costs), was carried on under New Labour and accelerated again under the Tories.

one thing I will give this Labour offering is that they are making noises about reigning back on this (if you know where to read and look). We need to invest in our own and stop giving everything away to overseas shareholders.

Op, isn’t a very well rounded view on politics, there is quite a bit missing from picture you’re painting here. Firstly, taxes are incredibly high now yet public services are crumbling, so it’s clearly a myth that the tories are the low tax party. They strangled the economy with years of austerity and lack of investment so we no longer have a functioning health service. There is crazy amounts of pollution in the rivers yet shareholders are still getting huge dividends and we have to choose between eating or heating as energy bills are so high - yet energy companies profits are at record level.All of this is because most of the decisions over the last 13 years benefits private businesses and shareholders profits over making them work for people who use them - those same prudent people you talk about. So I wouldn’t worry too much about labour being self serving as they will be better than this lot!

Also, the point of labour almost bankrupting the country, well liz truss nearly did that a year ago!

Finally, on your point about private schools, due to inflation, cost of living and wage stagnation, if you work hard and are prudent like you say, it’s still unlikely you can afford to live, buy a house and send your kids to private school. Only a tiny percentage of the country will be affected as it’s already totally unaffordable. But who can afford it - people who have benefitted from the tories policies over the last 13 years.

@Screamingabdabz - literally what are you talking about?I've worked with underprivileged women for many years and things are so bad right now!! All this labour don't know what a women is is utter bollocks.
Tories have made life hell for many , many women.

If you vote Tory you are plain stupid.

If you vote Labour you are plain stupid.

Vote with your feet. Find a local independent- vote reform just don't touch the 2 'main' parties or we will forever get the circus that gives us the choice of voting for the clowns or the elephants.

Another Reform voter here 🙌
A vote for Labour or Tory is a vote for more of the same.

The day I take political advice from the OP will be the day I fly of to Switzerland for a wank and a bye bye pill off a nurse

Vote with your feet. Find a local independent- vote reform just don't touch the 2 'main' parties or we will forever get the circus that gives us the choice of voting for the clowns or the elephants.

Why are the reform party not clowns?

Reform? A party run fly a very rich man?

seriously, they’re running on a platform which Liz Truss could have written (borrow a shit ton)

I think you mean anti-semitic

Great post.

Yes the Labour core voters have certainly changed. I think that a lot of the old style Labour voters will vote Reform this time.

Labour loves its benefit Britain voters!!

The last Labour government didn't. They brought in the punitive WCA. Hopefully though you're right that they will, if not love, care about the less fortunate and the vulnerable this time round