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[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

And Starmer feels that it's wrong to say that only women have cervix and that a percentage of women have dicks. Misogyny on fucking stilts.

If they cannot define us, how can they protect us?

I don't know anyone why paid anything like 80% or even an 80% marginal tax rate ever

So if it's just a few super wealthy people being scared - tough . Wealth inequality is horrible in the country.

I do recall that before this government came to power my wage went a lot further , I could see an NHS dentist, and a GP on the day I called.

I don't think we can afford to pay compensation, the best they can actually offer is an apology. What will happen is our kids will be borrowing money before they can even vote to pay them off. The blood scandal happened before even I was born!

I won't be voting labour but also feel like I can't vote Tory. No party represents the working person who wants low tax, basic essential public services and the opportunity to better their kids lives.

We work to pay for DS to have an amazing life, we have moved to an area with an outstanding school purely to avoid school fees (so no the policy won't get him into a poor school it just adds to my mortgage). We have no interest in care in our old age (our pension cover living costs + cash for cleaners etc) we want to pass it to him so defiantly can't vote labour.

But then the Tory party did so bad with the promises to lower tax and control inflation it's hard to see them get back in again.

BTW we are 33 so not some old boomers 😉

@Berga what's bull shit? 98% is true.

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I get the strong sense that people vote based on very quick n skimming of headlines without actually understanding beyond that. You can tell when people say things like “I don’t know what Labour stand for” - spookily sounding like Rishi Sunak there.

Voting isn’t a pledge of allegiance and you don’t have to vote the same way every time based on “feelings” (which is exactly what politicians rely on!). This is why we have “safe seats” as people barely take the time to read and understand what’s going on in their constituency, if their vote really counts etc etc. such a sorry state.

But there is a difference between Labour and the Tories and it’s a lie to pretend otherwise.

BS

So why are not almost 50% of older peoplelivng in rented accommodations and have little of no savings and many are on benefits

Thats right, like every generation people work hard but one has to be wise and prudent when it comes to spending

if it was easy as you said, everyone would be well off if they had their health etc

Reform are why anyone who enjoys a flutter would know a Labour win is a dead cert. Definitely waste of money betting on who wins this election.

(The odds aren't worth a punt now but I really wish I'd decided in 2019, immediately after the 80 seat Tory majority win, to put a bet on a large Labour win at the next GE!)

The thing is, Starmer’s statements reflect the actual legal reality in the UK. People can legally change their sex and that isn’t likely to change any time soon.

Sunak, or whoever else, can say “of course women don’t have penises” as much as they like but without legal reform they are hollow words, and it’s an area where legal reform is particularly difficult, due to the ECHR.

This makes zero sense to me.

You can’t really have “low tax” and basic public services - find me a country where you do. What does “low tax” even mean? What do you mean by “basic public services”?.

Labour are not scrapping the ability to pass your wealth onto your son, so again what are you worried about? Most people don’t even pay inheritance tax anyway, despite what lies the Daily Mail tell you.

Everyone wants to better their children’s lives - it’s not a political point and it’s so obvious that any politician who claims it’s a Tory or Labour stance is just 🙄

we all have a lot more in common than we think, so be careful not to fall into a trap of thinking that one party will offer you basic aspirations - that’s what most of us, including politicians want, and woe betide anyone who takes that away.

That pile of rubbish Truss was only voted in because of the members vote, many of whom have no idea of what was best for the country. Everyone knew Trus would either bankrupt us or get us nuked - if it was left to the MP's to vote, the inept Truss would have never got in and trashed the lives of millions of mortgage payers

But watch what Labout does if you are earning more than 50k

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator I don't have the words to describe how much your comment disgusted me. I also worked hard, had a good career, bought a house, saved some money - and was struck down by MS more than 20 years before I would have considered retiring. Life for a disabled person under the Tories is simply hell. They never tire of threatening us - our benefits, our care, our existence. I don't begrudge you your wealth, but the idea that it makes you better than those less fortunate, who you are happy to cast into the abyss for the comfort of you and your family, is positively sickening.

It’s not tax that’s the worry.

It is the high energy prices (thanks Thatcher for selling off our oil so now we have stinking high prices), it’s the high house prices (thanks Thatcher for selling off council homes and Major for ushering in right to buy mortgages which resulted in a boom in prices), it’s the high food prices (not the fault of politicians to be fair), it’s the shit NHS meaning we have to go private (thanks Tories for running it into the ground).

No party represents the working person who wants low tax, basic essential public services and the opportunity to better their kids lives.
Similarly, no party is promising free unicorns for all.

...... and watch taxation go through the roof. So if you thought you were paying enough now, just you wait. And don't delude yourself that you'll see a miraculous improvement in anything, because you won't. They'll just give it all away.

You’re being hyperbolic and a little bit hysterical tbh

I think OP is some kind of AI experiment that has malfunctioned.

Maybe A, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say I.

But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money

Yeah so this is me. But you know what? Ive had opportunities and privilege many don't have. I've benefitted disproportionately from the value in our economy. I haven't worked any harder or made any better financial choices than my friend who's a teacher or the nurse who saved my daughters life. I want my children to live in a better society.

I am ok with paying more tax if it means a smaller wealth gap, more social mobility, more education, health care, and more hope. Hope for young people starting out in life, that they may be able to earn a better wage, afford a decent home.

Appropriate username

I think sometimes the right wingers don't get it that lots of higher earners want to share the wealth

I don't want to sit hoarding my money while kids in my son's class need better school dinners. What would be the point? I can't take it with me.

I work hard to give my child a good life too. But the reality is I probably won't have anything to leave her, I can't afford to buy a home & the after effect of that also means I probably won't have any money to pay for my own care so later down the line it will be covered by the state. Hopefully I die before that. But I do work hard. Albeit in the NHS for lower wages than I'd like. Such an elitist view that everyone could have a high quality if living if only they worker harder.

It is the high energy prices (thanks Thatcher for selling off our oil so now we have stinking high prices),

If we're listing poor economic choices, how about Gordon Brown selling off our gold reserves at a 20 year low? Just for context, he sold it at an average price of $275 per ounce and it's almost $2,500 today.

My parents were steadfast Labour voters in the 60's when we came to England as Labour meant, 'working class' as there was no 24/7 news, internet mobiles etc and labour tried to show they were more helpful to immigrants

We all know it was all BS

So move fast forward - everyone with more than half a brain cell are now aware that the majority of politicians will say anything and everything to look good, save their skin and stay in office/power - just look at the MP's expenses outing - MP's during covid - and the blood scandal - the Iraq war - etc etc

When I was younger I was Labour - more informed and aspirational like everyone we know in our family and relatives (we are Asian) we knew the tories wanted to "reward" those who worked hard has "aspirations - which turned out to be BS

The fact is you are shafted hard with Labour if you have a few quid to your name, ie as per my OP

With Labour, I can't forget the mulitimilliaoire Tony Blair, the man of the people, working-class😂

ASK YOURSELF THIS< HOW MANY LABOYR MP@S LIVE IN COUNCIL Housing?? (I'm not counting those that have sold for profit)
ASK yourself, how many Labour MP's are worth more than 800,000 pounds - you will then know where they stand or if its just empty words

NB - I too am considering voting independent who stands for those that supporting the nation by paying more than their fair share of taxes, a better NHS, better policing, education and anyone caught carrying a weapon are sent to prison on the first offence, 10 years second offence and life after that or life for an attack with a weapon

Happy to be corrected with proof.