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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Indeed!

And the same, rich socialists want to stick 20% tax on those that already struggle to send their kids to private schools in the hope they have a better future than them

Its a myth that only the well off send their kids for private education

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/private-school-fees-how-much-uk-vat-labour-cwbn08czf

Its a myth that only the well off send their kids for private education

We have seen the stats - less than 6% of children in UK go to private schools. Are you suggesting these aren't from some of the wealthiest families? Wealthy is relative.

I think the bot is getting muddled.

Figure 4 shows the extent of the concentration of private school participation among families with the
highest incomes. In this figure, families are ranked by their equivalised net family income. Three-
quarters of the children at private school are drawn from families in the top three income deciles, and
most of these from the richest decile. This concentration is unsurprising given the high level of fees,
which have risen more than threefold in real terms since the 1980s. Moreover, there is evidence that
the socio-economic composition of the pupils has not changed significantly since at least the start of this
century.
https://ifs.org.uk/inequality/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Private-schools-and-inequality.pdf
Figure 4 is on page 7.

Loads of parents pay for their child's education.

It might only be a small percentage who do it by paying private school fees, but loads of others do it by paying for a house near a good state school.

Why is the second group seen as morally superior? If anything it's the other way round.

I've said before I don't feel it's fair to judge the second group, as I understand why people with the means want to get their kids into a 'good' school. I do feel a bit lacking in respect though for the ones like a couple I know, who loudly crow about being leftwing because their DC are in state education, but always neglect to add they paid loads of money to buy a house specifically for the school catchment (pricing away less well-off families in doing so).

If people genuinely want to address inequality, with education or in general, the way to do that is more social housing and have it spread out evenly across all areas. Likewise decent public services. Currently access to good (state) schools and access to decent public services is very area dependent.

Some of the tired old narratives being trotted out are hilarious. I think that people are still under the impression that we're back in the 1970s. The Tories have destroyed public services, tried their upmost to outlaw protest, introduced election ID requirements that were completely unnecessary (as acknowledged by at least one prominent Tory), lucrative PPE contracts for people connected to the party, wasted huge amounts of money on attempts to 'deal' with the refugee crisis, imposed numerous new party leaders on us, one of which lasted less than 2 months. Yet some people don't think that it's time for a change?

Thank you for this. The OPs points are so all over the place and lacking in any direction. It's like they've chucked a load of random points in a box and pulled them out without reading them.

Anyway we can forget this thread for a while. I think the OP has clocked off for the day, if they're not a bot.

The suggestion that someone is a bot because they have a different viewpoint is so lazy. OP’s posts don’t read as generated by a bot. Also doesn’t suggesting someone is a bot come under troll hunting? You’re suggesting they aren’t posting in faith? Which is against MN rules? Rhetorical question - I know it is.

You know nobody is suggesting it because of different viewpoints right? It's because of the style of writing, strange grammar, inability to hear other arguments and respond appropriately.

So someone suggested AI and I could see why. However now I think it's more likely a person who has clocked off for the long weekend.

You are paying into to your private pension in the hope not to rely on the state - thank you Labour

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1903452/Pensions-lifetime-allowance-LTA-55-pensions-tax-general-election-labour-party

Doesn’t matter. If that’s what you think report it. Otherwise you are out and out troll hunting and not adding to the thread. That’s against MN rules. It’s also really tedious. It’s actually the other away around. I can’t argue your point because it’s factual - bot. We have the highest state dependency on record, a record tax burden and no signs that Labour plan to fix it. Both as bad as each other.

More Express scaremongering. Odd that no other media has that pack of lies story.

I'm not getting into the whole bot debate but found it funny how directly underneath your post the OP completely ignores both yours and the other posters by just posting a link and "thank you Labour" 😂
I'd be like "Oi, I'm not a bot, ruuuuude!!"' 😁
Not immediately act like one lol 😁

I'm delighted to be able to vote Labour again.

Now that they are sensible and the Corbyn days are behind them.

Looking forward to progress towards social justice.

That's so funny.

You failed to note, Rayner and Co!!! Back-sear drivers!! Then drivers!!!

Shall I tell you what they will be caring about? When the transfer rates hit 25% and this would cost the tax payer/show a loss to treasury (yes you heard that right) of 1.58 billion. https://www.adamsmith.org/research/short-term-thinking-analysing-the-effect-of-applying-vat-to-school-fees
Vote Labour by all means, but be aware they are full of shit. Just like the Tories.

What does that even mean?

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

You failed to note, Rayner and Co!!! Back-sear drivers!! Then drivers!!!

lol. No they really are not. 🤣

Multiple exclamation marks - the late Terry Pratchett had some things to say about people who deploy them.

Is private medicine indefensible too?

The Adam Smith Institute of Tufton Street who hide their donors/funding

https://ifs.org.uk/news/removing-tax-exemptions-private-schools-likely-have-little-effect-numbers-private-sector

Labour have withdrawn their pledge to support the disabled.

Labour don’t give a shit about disabled people or women. In fact they don’t even recognise that women exist, given they think some women have penises.