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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

The Labour Party never anti-semitic?!!!? Lmao! I have no idea where you have been hiding for years.

And you only have to look at Labour and KS's treatment of Rosie Duffield etc to know exactly how little they value the rights and safety of women and girls.

On top of which. Labour have decided that any man (which by nature includes predatory men), can call up a gp / go on line and get signed off as a woman for e.g. £50 (much like sick notes). And there She is!! Legally able to enter any woman or child’s safe space.

So when Labour say they will protect women’s safe spaces, that is a lie. Because their definition of women, includes men.

Absolutely hideous. Our girls and women will not even be able to get safely changed in a changing room or go to the toilet, for fear of a predatory man, legally, being there.

Nevermind the theft of women’s sports places, women’s awards, women’s scholarships etc.

WTAF is going on. On what planet can this possibly be ok? Oh. On labours’ planet.

OK, never is maybe too much. It was never more of a problem than in other parties though, and it’s improved now.
Not sure exactly what your second bit has to do with the point I was making about the legal situation. Plus - the Tories really don’t value the safety of women and girls outside their circle and have shown it repeatedly.

Starmer has done a very good job of dealing with antisemitism within the party. Certainly he would be as sensitive about the subject as anyone and as a Jew myself, I certainly wouldn't be a voter or member of a party where I thought that antisemitism was endemic.

As regards women's rights - I'll leave that to others to judge.

All I will say is that we've had 14 years of a Tory party that is going nowhere, is clearly devoid of ideas and despite the narrative is not the paragon of fiscal virtue.

Every government has a shelf life and it's more than obvious that the Tory government has reached it. Do I think that day one of a Labour government would be 'sunny uplands'? No, from what I can see, the only people saying that are those that are parroting it in a derogatory fashion - as if anyone can undo the damage of the last 14 years in one stroke.

It's going to take a long time to even start to address the problems that this country is facing. What I'm looking forward to is a fresh administration - not radical but just providing a change, a bit of optimism that we can do better. This country can do better, if less polarised by these pointless culture wars that don't contribute anything to our society.

It's going to take a long time to even start to address the problems that this country is facing

Yeah, I think so too, don't think it's going to be a quick fix sadly. Too much of a mess in too many areas.

What I'm looking forward to is a fresh administration - not radical but just providing a change, a bit of optimism that we can do better. This country can do better, if less polarised by these pointless culture wars that don't contribute anything to our society

Well said, completely agree

Indeed- this isn't going to be a quick fix but for me it's about 'intent' - I think Labour have better intentions and will create a better vibe. They also have ideas- ones that plenty will agree with and some will not- the Tory's seem to be fresh out of anything very proactive or liberal that doesn't appeal to the headbanger element of their voters and MPs and client journalists. The fact they are even looking at whether they can get Braverman or Badenoch in to me says it all- Both are ambitious but retrograde thinkers and both are more than happy to lie.

So they are Islamaphobic and Antisemitic?

That's some going.

If Labour are Islamaphobic thrn some needs to tell Sadiq Khan as soon as possible..

@Guavafish1. If you are voting Tory you actually have very very few Muslim MPs - most of their Asian MPs are Hindu and mainly male- you also have a great many white Tory voters who are indeed extremely islamaphobic- same with Reform

If you are voting for George Galloways lot- then he is simply an opportunistic grifter in the same space as Farage- who saw an opportunity to earn himself a nice little number by targeting the Muslim vote. Awful man-

Which leaves you with the Lib Dem's and greens. Neither of whom are in the position of having to express much of an opinion on it as they won't be in power but are focussed on the centre left vote- unless you live in an area where they stand the best chance (I myself do) then if you are centre left you may as well vote Labour if you want the Tory's out- if you are to the right and don't want Islamophobia- you are pretty stuffed- - it's part of the make up to blame Muslims and immigrants in general for all of the country's ills.

Fair enough, puppet controllers and just waiting for the right time??

I like Angela Rayner.

You are being deliberately obtuse.
I'll let you have the last word

What's "obtuse" about finding some of your garbled writing somewhat difficult to engage with?

And you never let anyone have the last word. You go on, and on, and on even when your posts are refuted by facts.

Just read this. IMO, posters and readers of any political persuasion would agree that as things stand, it is a fair assessment of both the Tories and Labour

TBH - I'm sick of the false promises and rants by both, it is time for a coalition government made up of many independents that will put the citizens Brtiain first and themselves second, for a change

https://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news/249657/what-would-a-labour-government-do-to-taxes-and-finance.aspx

I hate Labour these days. For reasons I’ve stated many times. But I like Rayner. She’s better qualified to be lotlp in my view. She might say TWAW at this point, but we all know that’s because Keir told her to.

(On top of which. Labour have decided that any man (which by nature includes predatory men), can call up a gp / go on line and get signed off as a woman for e.g. £50 (much like sick notes). And there She is!! Legally able to enter any woman or child’s safe space.

So when Labour say they will protect women’s safe spaces, that is a lie. Because their definition of women, includes men.

Absolutely hideous. Our girls and women will not even be able to get safely changed in a changing room or go to the toilet, for fear of a predatory man, legally, being there.

Nevermind the theft of women’s sports places, women’s awards, women’s scholarships etc.)

WTAF is going on. On what planet can this possibly be ok? Oh. On labours’ planet.)

He couldn’t care less. He’s on the Mayor of London gravy train.

What is "MoL", please?

Mayor of London

I personally don't mind if someone says 'I'm voting Tory because I'm comfortably off, don't really mind if others are struggling badly as we are ok and to be frank I'm putting myself first, I am concerned that my private school fees will go up and I think tax will go up and I'm fed to of my tax supporting people who want to work 10 hours a week and then claim off the state ' and dies so on in a literate factual way- at least it's open and honest- even if it's not my personal mindset- what I do feel a need to comment on is when people give negatives about Labour that are either old issues, or plain untruths or out and out statements about they are all the same/ always worse/spend money needlessly etc - an awful lot of crystal ball work going on as we don't know what they will/will not do or how those policies will take effect and in what time frame. I can easily state what the Tory's 'have done' in last 14 years- Labour simply haven't been in power in the last 14 years and going back to the 70s etc is ridiculous- if we did that with the Tory's then Thatcherwas very pro EU , pro business and very keen on gerrymandering seats and flogging off state assets/utilities that the public actually owned.

Many thanks
I dont like the guy as he's not helped reduce crime and the low emmisons zone could have been done a bit differently but to my surprise, he did get infant school kids free meals, that was a good move as it helps those with little money to spare

Did he? I didn’t know he got the fsm thing. I lived in London for 20yrs and never heard that. But that’s a great thing he’s done there, in that case.

So do I

Apols bud, but its a massive thread and I've getting posts from the left, eight, left and left again so may have missed it. I hope you are not going to tell me off for missing your post!!

What's a route March got to do with the price of eggs? Your written English needs some work op, how long have you been in the country? Maybe find an English teacher to help, it might fix some of the misunderstandings you keep having over your choice of words and understanding of how politics in this country works.

Maybe pretend it's an exam and read back over your posts before you click. They're really not as easy to read as you may think. Various people have pointed out that they come over as garbled sometimes. Take a moment to read them back.

Actually I had to double check. He did for primary school kids only and those on low incomes during school hols.
I was watching the news and a Labour supporter said he did and I too was surprised.
Its not free school meals for all once the move from the primary schools

As I said I am no fan of his as he is a proper politician, takes the credit and ducks the question come policing and street crime

https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-mayor-does/priorities-london/free-school-meals#:~:text=support%20for%20families-,The%20Mayor%20is%20funding%20universal%20free%20school%20meal%20provision%20in,guidance%20and%20support%20for%20families.