VOTE Labour and

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Also if governing in a coalition or in a minority with confidence and supply is 'getting in via the back door' then both David Cameron's first government and Theresa May's government got in via the back door. Sauce, goose.

A man of the people
How many millions? A socialist!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/investing/how-to-get-rich-invest-keir-starmer-labour/

Oh bless, you will be on about donkey fields next!

Anyone want to define in in simple the what a "socialist" is

If not, see the link below and my previous post to help all Labour fans

https://www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-interview-im-a-socialist-for-me-it-has-a-very-practical-application

So you take an opinion in The Telegraph of being absolutely right. The Telegraph is a Tory paper and not as balanced as it used to be

You've only got to look at some of those who write for them to know that.

Do you want to carry on with Tory government, I presume?

Nothing is perfect. No one is perfect whomever it is. However, this lot of Tory is in name only (Chris Patten last minister to Hong Kong), plus many other moderate Tories who were forced out in 2019 are corrupt, elitest liars.

Kier Starmer is better qualified than any man or woman who has held the position in decades.

He is not a career politician and has held senior posts with huge responsibility.

He came into politics in 2015 at the age of 51, wanting to make a difference.

He doesn't come from money. He mom was a nurse, and his dad was the manager of a tool making factory.

He was born in a time when he won a scolarship for private school and didn't have to pay uni fees.

His upbringing was a meteoric rise from his humble beginnings in a small Surrey town. The Starmer household was a busy three-bed occupied by his parents’ four children and four dogs, and in 1985, he became the first to graduate in his family

If you want to find out more about him, listen to this podcast. Hear it from the man himself

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/keir-starmer/id1454408831?i=1000552160665

You can keep repeating that labour left the country in a mess as much as you like. It won't make it true.

You can keep going on about labour councils going bankrupt and we can remind you firstly if Northamptonshire and Thurrock and secondly that it's the Tory government who decide how much to give the local governments to spend.

You can keep making incorrect statements that are hard to unravel grammatically but it doesn't help you win any kind of argument.

I hope they pay you enough that you don't mind coming over as a bit stupid.

You tried this at the same time yesterday. Are you on some kind of timetable, paid per post?

I'll just remind you of what I replied yesterday.

You know you don't have to be poor to be a socialist, right? It's not a race to the bottom.

You might find this interesting.
"In a way, asking if one can be a socialist and rich is like asking whether a women can be a feminist and a stay-at-home mum. Believing in a political or social value does not mean living your life like a monk, dedicating every minute to the cause. But it does mean that there must be some way in which the ultimate purpose of feminism or socialism, which is to further the cause of equality, is advanced."

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/25/can-you-be-socialist-and-rich-google

Can you be a socialist and rich? You asked Google – here’s the answer | Socialism | The Guardian

You tried this at the same time yesterday. Are you on some kind of timetable, paid per post?
OP is some kind of badly written AI I reckon. No human could keep posting this badly written drivel.

I think you might be right. The grammar is quite odd.

Also the complete inability to even acknowledge a counterargument, never mind address it.

Apols bud, but its a massive thread and I've getting posts from the left, eight, left and left again so may have missed it. I hope you are not going to tell me off for missing your post!!

You stated "You know you don't have to be poor to be a socialist, right? It's not a race to the bottom."

A 'Socialist" fundamentally speaking and in the tone of a Labour supporter etc is
From Wikipedia but look it up in any dictionary, lol (Do NOT forget, "Sharing")

HTH, Bud

Socialists believe that sharing ownership of the means of production equally among society would increase people's quality of life. Socialists want to give people free access to basic life necessities like food, housing, and healthcare. Some socialists also believe employment should be guaranteed as a human right. -

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#:~:text=Socialists%20believe%20that%20sharing%20ownership,guaranteed%20as%20a%20human%20right.

I see the Tory election investment in social media spend is paying off😂. Although you'd think they would get something more sophisticated for the money they're paying given how much they're 'investing' in this stuff. Loving the condecension too. Straight from the Jacon Rees-Mogg playbook.

Suspect you've made the Ops day comparing them to Mogg.

That Wikipedia definition of socialism doesn't preclude a socialist from being rich, it just sets a baseline for human decency.

I still want to know why OP thinks England is the only nation in the UK.

A bit rich posting that you can't be a socialist and be rich- plenty of them are including many of our most successful musicians and actors- just because you have wealth personally gained via your own endeavours doesn't mean you can't give a shit about others not fortunate enough to be on your position- I have been with a very successful musician who was a strong socialist from a very poor upbringing and sadly is no longer with us on a radio session at BBC and saw him give £100 in cash to a homeless guy in London who clearly was in a bit of a way-

Kier doesn't have inherited privilege like Mogg or god knows how many rented houses like Hunt (so many he couldn't remember) if he is wealthy it's because he was a top lawyer - I'm sure plenty of mumsnetters are married to or have been married to lawyers earning very good money

Would I vote for Labour - an anti-semitic party who does not know what a woman is?
Absolutely no chance.

You know they are being widely criticised for initially supporting Israel over Palestine, right? They were never antisemitic anyway. And as has been pointed out approximately 26479273637828363929 times, Starmer’s comment about the percentage of women with a penis represents the legal situation. A trans woman with the correct paperwork is legally a woman.

Oh, FFS. Not this bollocks about the stupid note again. It was a daft joke that was something of a tradition when Downing Street changed hands. Similar notes have been left in the offices there since at least 1964 when Reginald Maudling left a note in the Treasury for Jim Callaghan reading: “Good luck, old cock. Sorry to leave it in such a mess!”

Outgoing Treasury chief secretary Liam Byrne left the note in the expectation that it would be received by Conservative Philip Hammond, with whom he had a friendly personal relationship. Instead the job unexpectedly went to Lib Dem David Laws, who weaponised what was clearly meant to be private message (and a joke) to score political points. Laws was forced to quit over an expenses scandal after 17 days in post, which says a lot about his character. He finally (and quite rightly) apologised to Byrne last year for releasing the note.

Labour minister gets an apology over “no money” note – 13 years late - New Statesman

If there was "no money" in 2010, the subsequent Conservative governments sure as hell haven't improved the situation: national debt excluding public banks was ~65% of GDP in 2010 and is now nudging towards 100%.

In reality (rather than joke-world), the facts speak for themselves: historically Labour governments borrow less per year, repay more debt, and repay debt more often than Conservative governments.

The Tories have always borrowed more than Labour, and always repaid less: they are the party of big deficit spending (taxresearch.org.uk)

The only thing you have demonstrated is your inability to spell.

Good. Private education is morally indefensible.

And quoting from Wiki...they really don't understand facts!

What a strange response. I think pp are right about the AI. Or it's the tea boy being given a job above his pay grade.

Well said. Thank God for the socialists who have money and influence to make a difference.

@Zonder as I said earlier- clearly the usual Tufton st social media team are on half term hols!