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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

We had it tough under the tories mainly down to Covid and the Truss f-ing up England in the couple of weeks she was in office

Who was running the country between 2010 and 2019? Do you recall a little thing called austerity?

Anyone who would bet, say, £10,000 to win £300 to £500 would be a bit of a moron, particularly as there is no such thing as a “dead cert” on anything you can gamble on (and you’re the one calling it a dead cert - nobody else is, though at implied odds of 95-97% it is extremely likely).

I might consider responding to your latest round of nonsense when you first tell me why you keep blathering about the high tax rate (by modern standards) in the 1970s, despite the top and lower rates of income taxes having been similar or higher for the 1940s, 50s and 60s.

Indeed I do
It was all down to Labour leaving the nation in an almost bankrupt status and that is a fact

So the Tories get a pass on the economic effects of a global pandemic, but Labour are responsible for the economic effects of a global financial crisis?

"ludicrous" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, anyway. Off you pop 👏🏻

Are you a Tory activist on the forum. We know they are pulling all sorts of stunts right now.

Two already today, with questions for Rishi, who turned out to be local Tory counsellors and not joe public.

The 70s and 80s were 40 and 50 years ago, for goodness sake.

Please don't bring up the note left by the treasury in 2010! That's been a standing continuing joke since the 40s 🙄

Hopefully you can make up their contribution to the state then. A country with a majority of dependents can’t afford to lose the small minority funding it all.

I imagine a lot of the “off you pop” type responses relate to people simply not believing the PP will actually leave the country for another with lower tax rates (in part, because the UK is not a high tax country).

You always get people threatening to leave the country if an election does not go their preferred way, and I dare say that most never follow through.

1000 times this. Always one law for Labour and another for the Tories.

He was talking to the Camden New Journal - which according to Wikipedia has a distribution of 50,000, which includes door-to-door deliveries and pick-up bins around the borough of Camden.,

So he was talking to the people who vote for him - his constituents who presumably are also socialists.

That's pretty much it, @AmpleFatball. The way some folks on this thread have been carrying on, you'd think we were going to turn Communist if Labour got in.

The issue is - they are. You’re right. It’s a low tax country for the rich and the lower paid. Many people here do not pay tax. We have a low basic rate of tax too.

The issue is - it is a tiny minority on PAYE who are funding it all. They are paying some of the highest marginal tax rates in the world and they are the ones with in demand, modern day global skills.

It is impacting the economy - hence why we have low productivity, the highest state dependence on record ( now the majority) and a decreasing number of net contributors.

In the global markets in areas such as science, tech, maths, IT - people are going global as they can’t recruit here. Most positions I know of are going to global offices. That’s because not only are they taxed to shit - they are hugely underpaid to say other comparable roles in global markets. It is a huge, huge problem. An absolute nightmare to recruit decent talent in STEM now.

So yes - it is happening.

You need a skip button

You need to lay off the koolaid.

keffie12
Please don't bring up the note left by the treasury in 2010! That's been a standing continuing joke since the 40s

Some more 'jokes' here:

2009
The [Labour] government's handling of the economic crisis has come under fire again after the International Monetary Fund warned that the UK will suffer a longer recession than other major countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/mar/18/uk-recession-imf 

2010
Curb your spending, Brussels tells Gordon Brown

Gordon Brown was dealt an embarrassing blow when Brussels gave warning that Britain must do more to curb its spiralling debt.

The European Commission wants Labour to outline further spending cuts and spell out where the axe will fall.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/curb-your-spending-brussels-tells-gordon-brown-3rkmql67hxs

2010
Alistair Darling admitted that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said hefty tax rises and Whitehall spending cuts of 25% were in prospect during the six-year squeeze lasting until 2017 that would follow the chancellor's "treading water" budget.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

What? For not wanting people spouting shite about people on benefits?

There are plenty of high earners voting Labour. We can rid the county of the ones who think they're better than everyone else due to the amount of tax they pay.

That poster won't be going anywhere anyway

It was all down to Labour leaving the nation in an almost bankrupt status and that is a fact
Actually it is not a fact, it's a load of old arse.

Who asked you to. The only poster getting defensive is you. No-one posted shit about benefits as you say. Clarifying how the economy works and how it is funded is not posting shit.

We already don’t have enough people paying in to meet our state outgoings. Hence the increasing amount of debt. Getting rid of the people funding it all isn’t logical or sensible. Thankfully, Labour had that epiphany as Starmer is more financially literate than most of MN it would seem. Hence why he backtracked on the lowering of the threshold of 45%.

Well that's the legacy of 14 years of Tory economic mismanagement.

It’s amazing that people still believe that myth when it flies in the face of facts. It’s a bit like believing in fairies.

Exactly that. Problem is Labour won’t make it any better.

Is Keir Starmer a socialist or not?

You’ll be pissed off if they do.

The only poster getting defensive? I'm not the one responding to every single person telling the poster 'off you trot' with the same daft reply?

The whole thing needs an overhaul. Businesses need to pay their fair share of tax, people who can, should. I'd pay more tax if it were guaranteed to help education and the NHS. Lots of people would.