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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 16:22

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This is a dumb comment.

Withhold the next one. 👍🏻

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IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 16:24

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No need to be a twat.

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 17:17

Can you explain why, having had such a weird encounter the first time, you still let him in the second time? Surely that's a red flag for your own judgment?

I would get a Ring doorbell and also not answer the door in your working day, unless you're expecting a parcel.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 17:19

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 17:17

Can you explain why, having had such a weird encounter the first time, you still let him in the second time? Surely that's a red flag for your own judgment?

I would get a Ring doorbell and also not answer the door in your working day, unless you're expecting a parcel.

Thank you. I pretty much covered this in the original post and since.

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wellington77 · 21/05/2024 18:06

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 11:45

Thank you! His girlfriend was very quiet, watching his reactions at times, head down and listening mostly. She was nodding her head in agreement when I was highlighting that it is not normal to follow a woman you don’t know into her house while she’s alone etc etc.. he only really spoke a couple of times after asking me to outline what he did to make me feel uncomfortable - this was to tell me I was overreacting, to deny saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner he’d been round, to tell me he has no interest in me and to tell his partner that he couldn’t find the sugar, after she confirmed that they did in fact have sugar at home. He was mostly eyes fixed, staring me down. I think she could see how weird it all was, she didn’t once try to defend him, not even when I lost it and simply declared him to be a “f*ing creep”.

Thanks for the update, sounds like she knows what he’s like then and should get shot of him!

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 21/05/2024 18:23

If you see her out slip her the details of the Freedom programme. Poor lass might need it soon.

Nanny0gg · 21/05/2024 18:34

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 09:57

Yes it’s true! Bizarre that this is in question!??

Not all rapists are initially violent

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 18:42

Get a ring doorbell and keep the door locked at all times.
This must be so scary for you.
I had a stalker once (someone I met online who lived 200 miles away) and seemed pretty normal at first. However he started to turn up with flowers and gifts completely unannounced and I got completely freaked out and told him I didn't think things were working out. He kept turning up even after this so I had to involve the police. Was awful.

Newmumatlast · 21/05/2024 18:44

Zombella · 21/05/2024 07:31

Reading this, I was reminded of the murder of poor Joanna Yeates, killed by her male neighbour after he made an unwanted pass at her.

Your neighbour's behaviour is very disturbing. Predatory. You did the right thing in calling him out on it. Hopefully he's just an arrogant creep but I'd suggest getting a ring doorbell.

Yep and I'd be inclined to see if I could make a disclosure request under Clares Law or flag it with the police not to get him in trouble but so it's recorded

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 18:50

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 18:42

Get a ring doorbell and keep the door locked at all times.
This must be so scary for you.
I had a stalker once (someone I met online who lived 200 miles away) and seemed pretty normal at first. However he started to turn up with flowers and gifts completely unannounced and I got completely freaked out and told him I didn't think things were working out. He kept turning up even after this so I had to involve the police. Was awful.

Thank you for sharing! That’s awful, I’m sorry you were subjected to that!

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LaughingCat · 21/05/2024 18:53

Haven’t read the whole thread but caught your messages - this is so creepy, @Chael86. It really is the only word for it. From your spot on description of the girlfriend’s reaction, it sounds like she was assessing him as you both talked. That she was watching him and not you suggests it’s him that she doesn’t trust which is why she wanted his non-verbal cues as well. Hopefully she gets the fuck out.

Police won’t be able to do much but report every incident, even the ones you think are nothing. They require a pattern of behaviour to do anything.

Terrible thought, but could that gossip reach the landlord? Y’know, in case they care about having lechy, predatory asshats as tenants…

SallyWD · 21/05/2024 19:04

I'm really sorry for questioning whether this happened in my last post. It just seemed so bizarre and brazen! I find it very unsettling. I think doing a Clare's Law search on him is a good idea if possible. His poor wife! How can she accept this behaviour? Keep an eye on him.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 19:11

Thank you - that’s exactly what I thought re: g/f’s reaction!

I have also had the same thought re: giving the landlord a nudge..

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WingingItSince1973 · 21/05/2024 19:35

Conniebygaslight · 21/05/2024 08:12

Jesus! that's not creepy, that's dangerous, he's gone straight to cornering you and touching you! I'd be informing the police, doing a Claire's law check and be moving. I might sound alarmist but that is so bloody bad OP, I'm so sorry.

Absolutely this. He needs reporting. He shouldn't be entering your home and definitely shouldn't be touching you!

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 20:36

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 17:19

Thank you. I pretty much covered this in the original post and since.

I read all your posts, you don't actually say why you said "fine" and let him in when he asked you for sugar a second time.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 20:44

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 20:36

I read all your posts, you don't actually say why you said "fine" and let him in when he asked you for sugar a second time.

Edited

Why is this your primary concern? Are you suggesting I invited his behaviour and that therefore his behaviour is my fault? In my original post I stated that I thought it was odd the first time but gave him the benefit of the doubt. I also later said this was an error. I did not say I “let” him in, he followed me in. An open door is not an invitation in. Better?

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StarbucksQueen1 · 21/05/2024 20:44

Jesus Christ that is so weird!
I think I’d have done the same the first time but not the second! But we can all say what we would have done in hindsight! How scary that he could have done anything!! I’d definitely make the landlord aware. Keep doors and windows locked and maybe get a ring doorbell now?

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 20:47

Thank you @Chael86
It was a very stressful time. Your post just brought back the feelings of being intruded upon involuntarily.

Definitely report to 101 so it can be logged.

Solocup · 21/05/2024 20:51

Holy fuck that’s insanity. Make that the thing that makes you start to stand up for yourself, you put yourself in a really dangerous situation by letting him in, especially a second time.
I think I might look at, is it Sarah’s Law? Where you can request info about a particular person if you have concerns. The behaviour is so odd, and so blatantly predatory, that I’d be wondering if they might have prior convictions.
Hope you’re ok.

BurntBroccoli · 21/05/2024 20:54

@badatdecisions
You clearly haven't experienced this. When someone is this determined they rely upon the woman being too polite to say no.
I'm sure this man has done this before.

merryandbrightdelight · 21/05/2024 21:18

This is horrifying op! Ring doorbell, also I'm wondering if there are any charities or organisations you could log this with

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 21:37

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 20:44

Why is this your primary concern? Are you suggesting I invited his behaviour and that therefore his behaviour is my fault? In my original post I stated that I thought it was odd the first time but gave him the benefit of the doubt. I also later said this was an error. I did not say I “let” him in, he followed me in. An open door is not an invitation in. Better?

You're making up a lot of things I didn't say and don't think.

I understand the first time, as you explained that in your original post.

I asked about the second time. Because you said "Fine" and agreed to his request.

It would be something you'd want to assess yourself, to yourself, even if you don't want to discuss it here, because you ignored a red flag that could compromise your safety by not trusting your instinct after the first time.

I was asking you the question to imply to you to look at how you could protect yourself in future. Now the aggressive response you've replied to me with is EXACTLY the kind of "don't fuck with me" attitude you should display in these types of situations. Instead of agreeing to let a weird guy who is behaving strangely into your house a second time. You'd have been kicking yourself if the second time he reached into your drawer for a knife instead of a spoon.

Scammersarescum · 21/05/2024 21:42

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 21:37

You're making up a lot of things I didn't say and don't think.

I understand the first time, as you explained that in your original post.

I asked about the second time. Because you said "Fine" and agreed to his request.

It would be something you'd want to assess yourself, to yourself, even if you don't want to discuss it here, because you ignored a red flag that could compromise your safety by not trusting your instinct after the first time.

I was asking you the question to imply to you to look at how you could protect yourself in future. Now the aggressive response you've replied to me with is EXACTLY the kind of "don't fuck with me" attitude you should display in these types of situations. Instead of agreeing to let a weird guy who is behaving strangely into your house a second time. You'd have been kicking yourself if the second time he reached into your drawer for a knife instead of a spoon.

This is grade A victim blaming, telling the OP how she should have reacted.

No one knows how they will react until they are in the moment.

DerekFaker · 21/05/2024 21:59

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 20:36

I read all your posts, you don't actually say why you said "fine" and let him in when he asked you for sugar a second time.

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Stop being a victim-blaming twat

0sm0nthus · 21/05/2024 22:06

DerekFaker · 21/05/2024 21:59

Stop being a victim-blaming twat

I second that!

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