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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 13:58

IncompleteSenten · 21/05/2024 13:52

@Chael86 many years ago when I lived alone in a bedsit my (male) neighbour invited me round to his. I felt uneasy and didn't want to but I was young, shy and scared and I just meekly went there because I didn't want to appear rude or as though I thought he was creepy.

Even though I did think he was creepy!

Anyway, I got into the doorway and there was a second man sitting on the sofa.

In that second the hair on the back of my neck stood up, my heart was hammering and my mouth went dry. I knew. I just knew. I knew instinctively in that split second that if I stepped one more foot forward I was stepping into danger.

So I made some excuse I don't even remember what I said and I legged it to my bedsit and locked myself in and I was shaking.

This shit happens. It does. Fucking creepy men are everywhere pulling all sorts of stunts.

I was terrified for ages. Hyper alert coming and going from my bedsit and moved as soon as I was able to.

So please don't listen to people telling you encounters like you describe don't happen.

I mean I fucking wish they didn't happen. But they do

Thank you for sharing this, I can relate. It’s shocking and concerning that people would think this or anybody else’s story would be made up, the fear of not being believed is exactly the reason people get away with this kind of shit.

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HereILayStillAndBreathless · 21/05/2024 13:58

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Why is it 'not real', what's seems so unbelievable to you? These (and much worse) things happen. And happen often.

Similar-ish happened to my friend. She was about to go out to meet her friend and friend's boyfriend in town. Except the said boyfriend showed up on her doorstep. He knew were she lived, as previously they all (friend+friend&boyfriend) shared a taxi. Boyfriend said he lived nearby and was on his way to meet his girlfriend, passing friend's house. So they could walk together.

My friend was put on the spot, it was daytime, she met the boyfriend before a few times, so didn't think much of it. She just went to her room to pick up her bag, he followed her and tried to rape her. Luckily LUCKILY the neighbor, who was in his garden at the time, heard her screaming and called the police.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 14:00

HereILayStillAndBreathless · 21/05/2024 13:58

Why is it 'not real', what's seems so unbelievable to you? These (and much worse) things happen. And happen often.

Similar-ish happened to my friend. She was about to go out to meet her friend and friend's boyfriend in town. Except the said boyfriend showed up on her doorstep. He knew were she lived, as previously they all (friend+friend&boyfriend) shared a taxi. Boyfriend said he lived nearby and was on his way to meet his girlfriend, passing friend's house. So they could walk together.

My friend was put on the spot, it was daytime, she met the boyfriend before a few times, so didn't think much of it. She just went to her room to pick up her bag, he followed her and tried to rape her. Luckily LUCKILY the neighbor, who was in his garden at the time, heard her screaming and called the police.

Wow this is truly horrendous! Thank you for sharing. I hope your friend is doing okay.

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BBKP · 21/05/2024 14:12

Get a ring doorbell!

AlpineMuesli · 21/05/2024 14:14

The worst thing about this is how he steadily escalated the touching to gauge how far he could go.
All cased in compliments so you simply can’t be offended, I mean, ‘only crazy women get offended at compliments!’

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 14:16

AlpineMuesli · 21/05/2024 14:14

The worst thing about this is how he steadily escalated the touching to gauge how far he could go.
All cased in compliments so you simply can’t be offended, I mean, ‘only crazy women get offended at compliments!’

Yes exactly that!!

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Willywaitingforbreakfast · 21/05/2024 14:18

Yes you are right although you won't be believed.

I have a creepy neighbour that waits for me to leave the house, not always but randomly..he likes to bump into me. I have had massive issues with him..HA (all dealt with by other men) think I'm "imagining it" although I have video evidence.

I believe you and please message me if you need to talk because as above I'm dealing with the same thing.

Police won't act until they rape, or kill you even then they probably will see it as a nuisance

DayIntarnishedarmour · 21/05/2024 14:23

Just be polite from now on but keep conversations to small talk eg weather! Its creepy

I wouldn’t advise having any conversations with either of them, no matter how trivial. I think in this case it’s best to ignore them completely. He sounds dangerous.

AlpineMuesli · 21/05/2024 14:25

He will use any politeness to either a) minimise the issue (“See, she doesn’t have a problem with me”) or b) try again.
You don’t need to be polite to strange men who touch you without permission after entering your home without permission on a fabricated pretext.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 14:27

Willywaitingforbreakfast · 21/05/2024 14:18

Yes you are right although you won't be believed.

I have a creepy neighbour that waits for me to leave the house, not always but randomly..he likes to bump into me. I have had massive issues with him..HA (all dealt with by other men) think I'm "imagining it" although I have video evidence.

I believe you and please message me if you need to talk because as above I'm dealing with the same thing.

Police won't act until they rape, or kill you even then they probably will see it as a nuisance

Thank you! I’m so sorry you’re having to put up with that!

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Springchickenonion · 21/05/2024 14:30

I hope you are OK. That was wrong on so many levels. I would get a ring doorbell on both front and back door and never answer the door to him again.

Ohthatoldchestnut · 21/05/2024 14:36

OP, might be an obvious one but have you Googled him? A surprising amount of info can be found from crime/court reporting in local newspapers and some police forces also release press/social media if someone has been convicted - even when it comes to some more minor offences.
And another vote for the doorbell camera and door chain. Hopefully, he moves on soon.

shrodingersvaccine · 21/05/2024 14:42

CactusMactus · 21/05/2024 10:52

I am an epic gossip - but I would certainly mention this to any other woman on your street. Just to see if he has popped by their houses in the day and to forward them.
Safty in numbers.

I saw a thing the other day about the history of the word Gossip - which is thought to come from medieval word 'godsibb' which meant godparent or very very close friend, and later to the women who attended births and female- centric events. 'Godsibb' and 'gossip' originally meant close friends, and a way for women/people to pass information to each other to keep each other safe. A noun which signified and symbolised healthy female links and bonds and an independent female birthing culture in early modern England.

Of course, the menfolk couldn't have that, so 'gossip' was repackaged with negative connotations to prevent women telling eachother that ol' jimbob down the road is a creepy fucker, for fear they'd be punished for gossiping.

All this to say, @CactusMactus, you are gossiping correctly! Go forth and gossip, my feminist sisters, for our safety and our health!

Nicklebox · 21/05/2024 14:49

This all sounds horrible for you. Please report to the police, as soon as possible they may have had complaints about him before. Get a ring doorbell and dont answer the door unless you can see who is there.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 14:50

shrodingersvaccine · 21/05/2024 14:42

I saw a thing the other day about the history of the word Gossip - which is thought to come from medieval word 'godsibb' which meant godparent or very very close friend, and later to the women who attended births and female- centric events. 'Godsibb' and 'gossip' originally meant close friends, and a way for women/people to pass information to each other to keep each other safe. A noun which signified and symbolised healthy female links and bonds and an independent female birthing culture in early modern England.

Of course, the menfolk couldn't have that, so 'gossip' was repackaged with negative connotations to prevent women telling eachother that ol' jimbob down the road is a creepy fucker, for fear they'd be punished for gossiping.

All this to say, @CactusMactus, you are gossiping correctly! Go forth and gossip, my feminist sisters, for our safety and our health!

I love this!! Thank you for sharing! ❤️

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Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 15:10

Don't second guess yourself because he's trying to play it down. He is creepy and shouldn't of came into your home let alone anything else

Just don't answer the door to him again. I'm glad your partner approached him.

Taurusenergy · 21/05/2024 15:11

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 14:27

Thank you! I’m so sorry you’re having to put up with that!

That's awful, the police should be doing something about that Don't they ever learn.

namemane · 21/05/2024 15:13

Ring doorbell, chain.

He may just be a bit odd, wanting to make friends with new neighbours.

But there are a quite a few red flags here - repeat visit, invading personal space, touching, no need to tell my partner etc etc.

With a ring doorbell its possible for both you and your partner to have notifications, record visits, speak to the person at the door.

Hopefully this will be the last such visit, his partner will have had words and this will blow over.

namemane · 21/05/2024 15:24

I suspect that once you have chatted with a few neighbours that you’re not the only person that he’s visited/tested out.

Loosing you rag, your partner talking to him, explaining in no uncertain terms when they came round were the right things to do.

He appears to be one of those on the spectrum at some point between socially awkward to predator.

You must not blame yourself for any aspect of this set of events. It is he who abused your decency and trust.

Getupat8amnow · 21/05/2024 15:32

You should be proud of yourself OP, your instincts kicked in and in all probability you saved yourself from an attack. You and your partner handled this frightening situation very well. Please report to the police, it will be logged and might aid some other woman in the future. Look after yourself, you’ve had a shock.

RatATatTatty · 21/05/2024 15:38

I’d be very unnerved by that - in so far as I would probably report it to the police. Do not answer the door to him ever again - get some security up - at least a Ring doorbell. There’s a lot that’s alarming here - and I’m not usually a fearful person.

Jhgdsd · 21/05/2024 15:47

He inveigle his way into your home by claiming to need sugar twice, and then touched you inappropriately.
This absolutely needs reporting to 101.
You have your partner to corroborate the conversation at the door when he was challenged in front of his partner.
This is not his first rodeo.
He needs to be seriously reported.
Very premeditated predatory behaviour.

RoobarbAndMustard · 21/05/2024 16:03

The most telling aspect is predator neighbour telling OP that she doesn't need to tell her partner that he'd been in the house.
'Our little secret', typical abuser behaviour.

FrenchMustard · 21/05/2024 16:15

Oh my god, this absolutely made my skin crawl. I would honestly ghost him from now on, don’t ever let him near you again!

penjil · 21/05/2024 16:21

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