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To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?

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WandsOut · 20/05/2024 00:59

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5dc99960-be22-448d-ae42-371a058dce7f?shareToken=810c030b858153875ba6f64bd858ed8d

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This is an absolute nightmare of a case. If you've not been aware of it before now it's time to wake up and take a hard look at what is happening in women's support services across the UK. There seems to be a concerted effort to dismantle women's boundaries and withdraw support from vulnerable women who need spaces away from men.

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MimiGC · 20/05/2024 13:03

Definitely, MW needs to be resign (or be sacked) , as do the other key players and the Board. The judgement is unequivocal and scathing, they can't just carry on as if nothing has happened.

Sharkattack1888 · 20/05/2024 13:07

Good news on this being picked up by the press! Utterly shocking that this is going on in rape centres, of all places!

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 13:10

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 13:00

As the CEO did an unfair dismissal on a discriminatory basis in violation of the Equality Act, yes they should be fired.

But the comments on they never should have been hired in the first place only make sense if they had been found in an employment tribunal to have done an unfair dismissal before.

Comments saying a man/transperson can’t be CEO are discriminatory and a violation of the Equality Act.

Edited

The post was advertised as for women only, under Schedule 9 of the EA.

Wadhwa is not a woman, has no GRC, and should not have been given the position.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/9

BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 20/05/2024 13:12

Well done Roz Adams. This must have been a dreadful ordeal for her.

The whole of the ERCC , Board and Management, who promoted and allowed this shit should be held to account, not only Wadhwa. Wadhwa’s role as a leading figure in the treatment of RA needs to be laid bare including the appalling statements made at other events , but Wadhwa didn’t act alone and shouldn’t take all the bad publicity just for being Trans. Iyswim.

A Board was responsible for the policy which enabled a Trans Woman to be appointed to such a role. A Board was responsible for making such an appointment. The powers that be in Scotland fuelled an environment that made this possible. Shame on all of them.

And they are idiots. Trans people need support against sexual assault the same as others and their needs shouldn’t be made into a political weapon.

May every victim and survivor of Scotland now get the help they need, whatever their sex or gender identity.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 13:12

AngeloMysterioso · 20/05/2024 12:57

Good!

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 13:14

BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 20/05/2024 13:12

Well done Roz Adams. This must have been a dreadful ordeal for her.

The whole of the ERCC , Board and Management, who promoted and allowed this shit should be held to account, not only Wadhwa. Wadhwa’s role as a leading figure in the treatment of RA needs to be laid bare including the appalling statements made at other events , but Wadhwa didn’t act alone and shouldn’t take all the bad publicity just for being Trans. Iyswim.

A Board was responsible for the policy which enabled a Trans Woman to be appointed to such a role. A Board was responsible for making such an appointment. The powers that be in Scotland fuelled an environment that made this possible. Shame on all of them.

And they are idiots. Trans people need support against sexual assault the same as others and their needs shouldn’t be made into a political weapon.

May every victim and survivor of Scotland now get the help they need, whatever their sex or gender identity.

Wadhwa's appointment was no accident.

To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?
To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?
Rainbowshit · 20/05/2024 13:14

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 13:00

As the CEO did an unfair dismissal on a discriminatory basis in violation of the Equality Act, yes they should be fired.

But the comments on they never should have been hired in the first place only make sense if they had been found in an employment tribunal to have done an unfair dismissal before.

Comments saying a man/transperson can’t be CEO are discriminatory and a violation of the Equality Act.

Edited

Wrong. The role was advertised using the genuine occupational requirement allowed for within the equality act as open to females only.

MW is biologically and legally male and therefore should not have been eligible to apply for the role.

DodoPatrol · 20/05/2024 13:15

Comments saying a man/transperson can’t be CEO are discriminatory and a violation of the Equality Act.

CEO of a rape crisis centre, where specific exemptions were originally set up for this very possibility.

Mridul is male and should never have applied.

guinnessguzzler · 20/05/2024 13:19

And the simple act of applying for this particular role demonstrates just how unsuitable MW is for this, or any other, charity CEO role. Clear lack of judgement, lack of self awareness, and far too focused on personal gain over the needs of the organisation and its service users.

sweetsardineface · 20/05/2024 13:19

YANBU. I am beyond disgusted.

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endofthelinefinally · 20/05/2024 13:20

I can't imagine the distress a female victim of rape would feel when confronted with a male counsellor. Not just a male counsellor, but a male dressed up as a woman. What sort of male applies for the role of manager and counsellor in a rape crisis centre where the majority of clients are women?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 13:33

AngeloMysterioso · 20/05/2024 12:57

Thank you for these links.

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2024 13:39

endofthelinefinally · 20/05/2024 13:20

I can't imagine the distress a female victim of rape would feel when confronted with a male counsellor. Not just a male counsellor, but a male dressed up as a woman. What sort of male applies for the role of manager and counsellor in a rape crisis centre where the majority of clients are women?

We all know the answer to that. A predatory one who was getting his kicks from the distress and entrapment of very vulnerable women.

And yet, as a PP has pointed out, this was aided and abetted by the board and with the blessing of people like Sturgeon and Chapman. These people need to be held to account.

endofthelinefinally · 20/05/2024 13:43

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2024 13:39

We all know the answer to that. A predatory one who was getting his kicks from the distress and entrapment of very vulnerable women.

And yet, as a PP has pointed out, this was aided and abetted by the board and with the blessing of people like Sturgeon and Chapman. These people need to be held to account.

It is really sinister.

RedToothBrush · 20/05/2024 13:52

Should be sacked
Should never have been employed
Should have been sacked after saying 'reframe your trauma'
Won't resign
Board will be too chicken shit to sack.
Would put bets on requiring outside intervention (probably from the Scottish charity regulator) to get rid.
Fair chance go off sick at some point citing stress to fleece said charity.

ThreeWordHarpy · 20/05/2024 13:57

I asked DH at lunchtime if he would ever apply for a job as CEO of a rape crisis centre. He knew what I was referring to, and his thoughts were that he'd take a job like that if it involved purely running the organisation like HR and finance and building management side, and not involved in providing services, and why would that be reserved for one sex over the other. Asked if he'd be prepared as CEO to represent the organisation, speak on its behalf, drive policy and lobby on behalf of service users. Thought again, and he decided, no it would not be appropriate for him as a man to do that job for a rape crisis centre.

Just an n=1, but I’d bet reasonably representative of most middle aged (post) graduate educated men who thought about it for more than 20 seconds.

FrancescaContini · 20/05/2024 13:59

endofthelinefinally · 20/05/2024 13:20

I can't imagine the distress a female victim of rape would feel when confronted with a male counsellor. Not just a male counsellor, but a male dressed up as a woman. What sort of male applies for the role of manager and counsellor in a rape crisis centre where the majority of clients are women?

A very narcissistic one. It’s all about him.

Helleofabore · 20/05/2024 14:01

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 13:00

As the CEO did an unfair dismissal on a discriminatory basis in violation of the Equality Act, yes they should be fired.

But the comments on they never should have been hired in the first place only make sense if they had been found in an employment tribunal to have done an unfair dismissal before.

Comments saying a man/transperson can’t be CEO are discriminatory and a violation of the Equality Act.

Edited

I believe the comments relate to the fact the job was advertised and published with the EA exception so that it was female only applicants.

Wadwa does not not have a GRC. The organisation hired a male when the job specified a female candidate.

Helleofabore · 20/05/2024 14:02

And I should have read ahead before I pressed submit.... cross posted.

SabrinaThwaite · 20/05/2024 14:06

Would put bets on requiring outside intervention (probably from the Scottish charity regulator) to get rid.

OSCR states that If, however, the findings of an Employment Tribunal indicate that there are serious governance issues in a charity, we should be told about this.

https://www.oscr.org.uk/about-charities/raise-a-concern/how-oscr-deals-with-concerns-and-inquiries/our-role-as-a-regulator-what-we-can-and-cannot-deal-with/

I'd hope this would count as a serious governance issue.

Helleofabore · 20/05/2024 14:06

endofthelinefinally · 20/05/2024 13:20

I can't imagine the distress a female victim of rape would feel when confronted with a male counsellor. Not just a male counsellor, but a male dressed up as a woman. What sort of male applies for the role of manager and counsellor in a rape crisis centre where the majority of clients are women?

Also one that tells women to reframe their trauma to accept a male counsellor. And one that actively resigned from a political party because that party supported an amendment to a bill to specify that traumatised female people should have their requests for female medical examiners fully supported.

Imagine, a male who was the CEO of a rape crisis centre doing these things and the women attending knowing that this male person has done and said these things and then having to attend the centre. And then having contact with this male person.

I remember the women who posted on MN that they were counselled by this male person. And that they spent the time looking at their phone and not paying attention to the woman they were supposed to be counselling.

Helleofabore · 20/05/2024 14:07

DodoPatrol · 20/05/2024 13:15

Comments saying a man/transperson can’t be CEO are discriminatory and a violation of the Equality Act.

CEO of a rape crisis centre, where specific exemptions were originally set up for this very possibility.

Mridul is male and should never have applied.

Apparently, no one knew. Apparently....

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2024 14:16

Helleofabore · 20/05/2024 14:07

Apparently, no one knew. Apparently....

Total fucking nonsense

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