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To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?

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WandsOut · 20/05/2024 00:59

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5dc99960-be22-448d-ae42-371a058dce7f?shareToken=810c030b858153875ba6f64bd858ed8d

archive.ph/mtE3W

This is an absolute nightmare of a case. If you've not been aware of it before now it's time to wake up and take a hard look at what is happening in women's support services across the UK. There seems to be a concerted effort to dismantle women's boundaries and withdraw support from vulnerable women who need spaces away from men.

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Igmum · 20/05/2024 08:17

YADNBU. Thank heavens Roz Adams won her case. This man has been using rape survivors as his own personal validation chorus. It is truly evil and the Scottish Government refused to fund single sex rape centres for women.

Imustgoforarun · 20/05/2024 08:22

Agree 100% with you. The whole board should go and start again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 08:53

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ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 10:05

YANBU. He should go. As should the board who enabled this harassment and discrimination.

They've treated Roz Adams atrociously, but worst of all, they are failing the women they are supposed to be supporting, using them for their own validation and gain, refusing support to a woman who asked for single sex care, and for some horrible reason refusing too to signpost her to Beira's Place where she could have got the single sex care she needed. Sheer spite, because the woman wanted support from another woman rather than a man calling himself a woman.

That's the board.

Mridul Wadhwa is another matter entirely. Calling rape survivors 'bigots' for not wanting a male counsellor is beyond any form of acceptable behaviour. Suggesting women need to 'reframe their trauma' is the opposite of survivor centred care.

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 10:07

forwomen.scot/10/08/2021/the-real-crisis-at-rape-crisis-scotland/

"But I think the other thing is that sexual violence happens to bigoted people as well. And so, you know, it is not discerning crime. But these spaces are also for you. But if you bring unacceptable beliefs that are discriminatory in nature, we will begin to work with you on your journey of recovery from trauma. But please also expect to be challenged on your prejudices, because how can you heal from trauma and build a new relationship with your trauma, because you can’t forget, and you can’t go back to life before traumatic incident or traumatic incidents. And some of us never, ever had a life before traumatic incidents. But if you have to reframe your trauma, I think it is important as part of that reframing, having a more positive relationship with it, where it becomes a story that empowers you and allows you to go and do other more beautiful things with your life, you also have to rethink your relationship with prejudice. Otherwise, you can’t really, in my view, recover from trauma and I think that’s a very important message that I am often discussing with my colleagues that in various places. Because you know, to me, therapy is political, and it isn’t always seen as that."

Mridul Wadhwa, CEO Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre on the ‘Guilty Feminist’ podcast

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Ramblingnamechanger · 20/05/2024 10:12

The whole lot should resign at once. They are not helping women who come to them for help or employers that are not believers. The ERCC should focus on its core group which is not people with a trans identity. If the current lot won’t do that then they must go.

WickedSerious · 20/05/2024 10:14

rubyslippers · 20/05/2024 07:15

Yanbu
it was a travesty he was hired in the first place

This.

Fire him and the shitwits who gave him the job.

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 10:14

Mridul has no relevant professional qualifications yet was allowed to be in sessions with traumatised women.

x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1749104781157629998

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WeMeetInFairIthilien · 20/05/2024 10:15

I agree.

He needs to go.

I have no issues at all with rape crisis being inclusive of trans people.

However, they also need to be inclusive of people for whom biological sex matters. If that means single gender meetings in addition to single sex ones, then crack on.

To deny women the choice of their support, and to actively remove additional support (by refusing to refer or pass on any information about Beira's Place), it just smacks of male power over women. Again.

FOJN · 20/05/2024 10:16

Ofcourseshecan · 20/05/2024 07:50

From one of the other stories at the archive link:
In 2021 Wadhwa, a trans woman, told The Guilty Feminist podcast that any “bigoted” rape survivors who objected to being counselled by someone who was born a man should expect to be “challenged on your prejudices” if they sought help from Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

I’m stunned that he got the job in the first place, as the Gender Recognition Act clearly allows exemptions in cases like this, where an actual woman is needed.

But the fact that he could show such stunning contempt for rape survivors, and still keep his job, shows there is something very wrong with ERCC. It is obviously riddled with misogyny. Extraordinary in an organisation supposedly set up to help rape survivors.

What's worse is this man does not have a GRC so is not 'legally a woman' and as you say even if he did he could have been lawfully excluded from the selection process. The job ad actually referenced the sex discrimination exceptions in the Equality Act to specifically exclude men from applying due to "occupational requirement" for a female candidate. I have no idea how Edinburgh Rape Crisis got away with it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 10:17

to actively remove additional support (by refusing to refer or pass on any information about Beira's Place)

That was one of the cruellest things, when their lists were oversubscribed and they had a huge waiting list.

Rainbowshit · 20/05/2024 10:18

YANBU.

The tribunal found that MW and others in management hold extremist views which led to them conducting a kafkaesque heresy hunt against an employee.

MW led the witch-hunt. MW's position is unsustainable.

The position needs to be held by females only.

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 10:19

thecritic.co.uk/jeepers-creepers/

Anyone got a link to the interview where Mridul talks about rape victims having orgasms and seeing rape victims four times a week and keeping the job "fun"?

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TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2024 10:20

I am absolutely disgusted by this entire case. How could women who've been raped be treated so disgracefully?

He should go and the board should resign.

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 10:23

www.ercc.scot/statement-from-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-board-of-directors/

Who exactly is on the board?

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borntobequiet · 20/05/2024 10:24

YANBU. The judgement is scathing (as in so many of these cases).

Rainbowshit · 20/05/2024 10:26

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 10:19

thecritic.co.uk/jeepers-creepers/

Anyone got a link to the interview where Mridul talks about rape victims having orgasms and seeing rape victims four times a week and keeping the job "fun"?

studentnewspaper.org/an-insight-with-mridul-wadhwa-into-working-in-a-rape-crisis-centre/

DifficultBloodyWoman · 20/05/2024 10:26

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 10:14

Mridul has no relevant professional qualifications yet was allowed to be in sessions with traumatised women.

x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1749104781157629998

Mridul Wadhwa has, it seems NO CLINICAL QUALIFICATIONS.
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He has only the following:
1. MSc in the Management of Training and Development from the University of Edinburgh, @EdinburghUni
2. BA English Literature from the University of Pune,
3. Diploma in Hotel Management and Catering Technology from MSIHMCT, Pune, India
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He also does not have a GRC (for what it's worth), yet was doing a job that was advertised as being open to women only.
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And, instead of just a management role, he carried out regular therapeutic interventions with women who had been raped.

So…apparently this man, with no relevant qualifications, was the most qualified person to run ERCC.

Who were the other applicants? Zoo animals?

Rainbowshit · 20/05/2024 10:29

Interview with MW, published April 5, 2019, in the Student newspaper.

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Rape crisis centres are just one way a survivor can seek help after experiencing sexual violence of any kind. Mridul Wadhwa is a manager at the Forth Valley Rape Crisis Centre, dedicated to helping individuals overcome trauma. The Student had the opportunity to speak to Wadhwa about her experiences working with rape and sexual assault survivors.

“I think the biggest myth [of sexual violence] is ‘stranger danger,’” Wadhwa commented. “All messages are usually about being safe when you’re outside – and yes there is a minor risk for women to experience sexual assault from strangers – but the reality is that most of the time it comes from someone they know, including their acquaintance. The other myth is that your body may react in a physical way to sexual violence including an orgasm but that does not mean that it’s not rape because that’s a physical response. You can’t control how your body responds to violence.”

The work is incredibly emotionally draining, so Wadhwa has to be balanced and mindful of her own emotional state. The Student asked her what she does to take care of herself: “Well I don’t deal with individual survivors every day, so for me what I do in terms of self-care is a lot of avoidance. I do see survivors – four a week usually – who help me stay connected to the cause…but it’s important to keep it fun. We should be able to laugh and use humour at work. In terms of my team, I try to cook for them once a week or every other week.”

Beyond that, she recommends debriefing: “By talking about what it’s like for you, you are creating that distance and also you remind yourself that the survivors who come to our centre have other lives outside of the centre.

Most importantly, rape crisis centres are spaces for those affected by sexual violence, most of whom are women. The Student asked Wadhwa if she believes a man could be a successful rape crisis centre manager. She does not: “I don’t think men are ready to go out and set up services of this nature. Women’s aid organisations and rape crisis centres have been set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women. It’s about the women’s experience of sexual violence. Our workforce is reserved for women only.

Recognising that it is not only women who are affected by sexual violence, Wadhwa’s centre is a feminist organisation with adhering values. To Wadhwa that means “ensuring that inequalities are highlighted and when people are in our centre they’re experiencing equality service that is focused on their needs as they describe them. Also, it’s focused on putting into context the violence women and girls experience in the wider inequalities of their lives. If there are male survivors, they need to be acknowledged as survivors. The patriarchy impacts their experience as well.”

“It’s about thinking of equality at all times and obviously a part of it is about women’s equality because women are always grappling with gender inequality whether it is in the workforce or in their experience of gender based violence or violence against women and girls it’s not just what happens in terms of the abuse but also what happens afterwards. How do they experience the system particularity if they’re engaging in the criminal justice system and the inequalities that surface there.

“As a service provider there are some intersections that we need to consider. We offer a person-centred service which means we look at the individual and their needs. But the reality is that we are working in an environment where people are not thinking about minorities. As a manager, I need to think like do we have to hire an interpreter. Or just yesterday we were having a conversation if our space is welcoming to people with autism and what we can do to make that space more welcoming. Who they are as people also comes up in support sessions and can be a barrier to not accessing our service.”

In our conversation, Wadhwa mentioned the lack of control survivors experience, even after the traumatic event: “It is a very disempowering experience when you report to the police because it is a big shift in the understanding of being a victim. They are actually powerless in it. There are some areas where they might be able to influence but it’s very, very minute.”

Perhaps the largest source of power survivors can claim is their ability to come forward and relate their story if they so choose. Yet many times they are not believed. The Student asked Wadhwa why it is important to believe a survivor: “Think about how much time is wasted arguing about whether we should believe sexual assault survivors but if you look at what a survivor who has come forward is setting themselves up to, why would they come forward and report it if it was not true? There might be a small percentage of false allegations but they’re nowhere near what our society thinks where they are.

“Just because somebody was not proven guilty doesn’t mean that they are not guilty because it’s about the quality of the evidence presented. The burden of proof is really hard, and it probably should be. I’m not going to debate that here but…we must stay away from doubting people.

“There might be a narrative in the disclosure of that experience that does not always add up because usually how we experience trauma is that we don’t always remember what happened to you and it’s not about the facts of the case. The rape crisis centre is there to listen to those who wanna talk about it and to recover from it. I mean what does one gain from lying about it.”

Having sexual violence disclosed to you can certainly be a challenging experience. Dealing with sensitive matters is just that – sensitive – and requires much thought and attention. The Student asked Wadhwa how she would recommend a friend or loved one reacted if violence was disclosed to them: “Try not to dig holes in people’s stories. This is not a logical narrative of an experience – it is the emotional narrative of an experience. People might not always remember what happened.

“Try to stay away from the idea of what they could have done to stay safe or even what you could have done as a friend to keep your friend safe. It is my belief that we don’t put ourselves in these positions. It is the perpetrator who decided to be violent. It is not a choice that we made. The message that we should be telling our friends who have disclosed this to us is that it is never their fault.

“Another thing that we should be thinking about is what happened after the disclosure. The whole decision as to what happens after the disclosure is up to the survivor. They should remain in complete control of that experience and as a friend I would recommend that you enable that control. Whether they report to the police or not is their decision.

“Sometimes a disclosure from a friend can be triggering for you in case you had those experiences. My advice would be to use rape crisis centres because they are not just for survivors. They are also for friends and family of those who have had a traumatic experience because it does take a lot of your to support someone who has gone through trauma. There is often guilt associated with wanting to ask for help when your friend is in greater need but for them to support them appropriately and effectively you have to be in a good place yourself. That’s why rape crisis centres support you.”

Rape crisis centres also offer sexual violence prevention education programs. Wadhwa’s centre is part of a national prevention program through education scheme. They offer a series of workshops hoping that young people become educated on different topics like gender and pornography.

Chariothorses · 20/05/2024 10:37

This is happening with female only services in many areas (sadly especially when they are Labour/ Green councils). The research done for the Cots report that Baroness Fox referred to in the Lords recently:
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/
got a lot of extra evidence not included- even the SARSAS services (for rape / sexual assault victims) and Women's aid in the Bristol area includes males with a trans identity in their 'women only' services , and they and Nextlink deliberately mislead women (and some commissioners). Staff at the women's organisations mentioned contacted the Cots group stating the atmosphere is so hostile if you don't believe TWAW they can't speak up.

The Trans Lobby Has Destroyed Provision for Female Abuse Victims in Bristol and Elsewhere – and will do the same for the Victim’s Bill

The forthcoming Victim’s Bill requires ‘Police and Crime Commissioners (PCCs), Integrated Care Boards (ICBs) and local authorities to work together when commissioning support services for victims o…

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill

ruffler45 · 20/05/2024 10:40

Be interesting to see what the selection criteria and marking score was at the selection panel?

334bu · 20/05/2024 10:46

I believe Maggie Chapman of Scottish Green Party was on the board at that time and was one of the people who appointed MW to this post.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 10:47

A reminder of Wadhwa's husband's company Sacro being awarded funding for dv services after funding was withdrawn from women's services in North Lanarkshire:

'Council officers said that contracting a new service was ‘Informed by the findings of gaps in services with respect to specific groups including LGBT+’ and that Sacro ‘will better help male victims’.'

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/mridrul-wadha-sacro-and-the-14-million

Mridul Wadhwa, SACRO and the £1.4 million contract

Shocking new developments in the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Scandal

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/mridrul-wadha-sacro-and-the-14-million