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The Australians hate women and girls?

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:41

It’s just come to my attention that there’s an Australian ‘satire’ 🤢 about a private girls school. The lead character is a girl played by a middle aged man. WTAF?? How is this ok?

‘… her character is written and acted by a thirty-nine year old man, projecting his own (outdated and dubious) idea of what teenage private school girls are like onto his performance. But whatever the reason for Ja’mie’s portrayal, there is no doubt that she is meant to be someone we cannot feel sympathy for and should not feel sympathy for. Lilley justifies us in laughing at Ja’mie, justifies us hating her. And by default, he opens the doors for us to hate on all teenage girls: the shallow, self-obsessed other to our purported multicultural and progressive society.

I hesitate to call Ja’mie: Private School Girl a satire, because its primary effect is to completely dehumanise and ridicule a single teenage girl to the point of hatred, rather than saying something about the mechanisms and ideologies that make her so revolting. At its best the series is puzzling and somewhat distasteful; at its worst, I think it does damage to the image of the teenage girl that real-life teenagers have to contend with. In a society that already has some very derisive views on what teenage girls are, I think we can do without Lilley’s attempts at satire, and some more novels like Beauty Queensinstead.’

The Australians hate women and girls?
The Australians hate women and girls?
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SherrieElmer · 20/05/2024 10:03

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Davros · 20/05/2024 10:04

peebles32 · 20/05/2024 09:55

Is it any different to Kevin and Perry?

Yes, because they were funny

queenparrot · 20/05/2024 10:05

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:23

You don’t find this highly cerebral satirical programme written by a man, central character played by the same man, dressed as a teenage girl, playing a teenage girl, hilarious, like we do? You’re just stooopid! Ha ha! Stoopid!

Give me strength.

You haven't even watched it, and yet you've formed strong opinions about what you imagine it is about. That's what I call stupid.

It's a satirical comedy, of its time. Not my cup of tea. But what you've extrapolated about it is... also stupid.

pointythings · 20/05/2024 10:06

Einwegflasche · 20/05/2024 09:41

I am waiting for her to call someone a man.
She did that on another thread, and was almost bullying in how she did it.

No almost about it. I've been called an MRA because I don't agree letter for letter with the GC feminists on MN.

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 10:24

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Wow. You’re a bully. Reported.

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Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 10:37

queenparrot · 20/05/2024 10:05

You haven't even watched it, and yet you've formed strong opinions about what you imagine it is about. That's what I call stupid.

It's a satirical comedy, of its time. Not my cup of tea. But what you've extrapolated about it is... also stupid.

🤷‍♀️

The Australians hate women and girls?
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Einwegflasche · 20/05/2024 10:37

pointythings · 20/05/2024 10:06

No almost about it. I've been called an MRA because I don't agree letter for letter with the GC feminists on MN.

I meant there was bullying as well as calling the someone a man.
It was her and another poster's way of shutting down debate. The other poster was worse tbh, and was accusing people of all sorts.

ByKindOpalPoet · 20/05/2024 10:49

OP just accept that you can’t handle other women having a different opinion to you which this thread and your other threads show.

As someone who is allegedly pro women speaking out and all for women’s rights, you seem desperate to shut down any woman who dares to question you.

queenparrot · 20/05/2024 10:53

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 10:37

🤷‍♀️

Birds of a feather flock together.

I find it odd, having not watched any of this man's work, that you have formed an opinion on it, and on the entire continent of Australia's inhabitants.

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 10:54

ByKindOpalPoet · 20/05/2024 10:49

OP just accept that you can’t handle other women having a different opinion to you which this thread and your other threads show.

As someone who is allegedly pro women speaking out and all for women’s rights, you seem desperate to shut down any woman who dares to question you.

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Can you show me where I ‘seem desperate to shut down any woman who dares to question’ me?

Thanks

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Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 10:56

Einwegflasche · 20/05/2024 10:37

I meant there was bullying as well as calling the someone a man.
It was her and another poster's way of shutting down debate. The other poster was worse tbh, and was accusing people of all sorts.

@Einwegflasche I’m not sure what you’re talking about tbh. Can you show me? Thanks

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Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 10:57

queenparrot · 20/05/2024 10:53

Birds of a feather flock together.

I find it odd, having not watched any of this man's work, that you have formed an opinion on it, and on the entire continent of Australia's inhabitants.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Yes it was inflammatory. Unnecessarily, I’ve said that.

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WomensRightsRenegade · 20/05/2024 11:04

Branleuse · 19/05/2024 10:07

White Australians definitely have a problem with misogyny and racism, much more openly than in the UK i think, and the uk is bad enough.

Non-white Australian men also definitely have a problem with misogyny. You think things like sexual assault/ rape and domestic violence (astronomically high in both Aus and NZ) only committed by white men? Bonkers.

WomensRightsRenegade · 20/05/2024 11:07

OneTC · 19/05/2024 12:37

British people in general like to feel Australia is much worse than them because they don't like being the least popular people in the world

Funny how millions of people try to get to this country instead of any others - what with all its ‘least popular people’ and all 😂. You think they’d avoid it like the plague!

Australia is institutionally and endemically misogynist. The self ID madness is off the scale. And Tickle v Giggle wouldn’t happen in a country that didn’t despise women.

SherrieElmer · 20/05/2024 11:11

This beggars belief. I got labelled as a bully for standing up to the racism displayed by OP.
And my post got deleted.
The moral compass on MN is utterly shattered, devoid of any semblance of direction. How low have you gone...

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 11:13

WomensRightsRenegade · 20/05/2024 11:07

Funny how millions of people try to get to this country instead of any others - what with all its ‘least popular people’ and all 😂. You think they’d avoid it like the plague!

Australia is institutionally and endemically misogynist. The self ID madness is off the scale. And Tickle v Giggle wouldn’t happen in a country that didn’t despise women.

Yes. Well said 🤗

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pointythings · 20/05/2024 11:17

SherrieElmer · 20/05/2024 11:11

This beggars belief. I got labelled as a bully for standing up to the racism displayed by OP.
And my post got deleted.
The moral compass on MN is utterly shattered, devoid of any semblance of direction. How low have you gone...

I agree with you. Deriding an entire country with a single post isn't acceptable. OP's mostly non-apology for the tone doesn't help because the content was what was so objectionable. I'm sorry this has happened to you.

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 11:23

From the Global Citizen Report:

Australian Men Rank Among Most Misogynistic in Western World: Other countries surveyed include Turkey, France, China, Russia and South Africa.

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NefertitiV · 20/05/2024 11:35

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 11:23

From the Global Citizen Report:

Australian Men Rank Among Most Misogynistic in Western World: Other countries surveyed include Turkey, France, China, Russia and South Africa.

'British Woman, Despite Having Little to No Experience of the Country, Slams Australia on the Internet'

InsomniacA · 20/05/2024 11:50

pointythings · 20/05/2024 11:17

I agree with you. Deriding an entire country with a single post isn't acceptable. OP's mostly non-apology for the tone doesn't help because the content was what was so objectionable. I'm sorry this has happened to you.

Here's what I want to know:

Can I post a thread containing an insulting generalisation of any country, based on a random artist's work I admit haven't bothered to view? Or is that only allowed with certain countries, like Australia?

ilovesooty · 20/05/2024 11:52

pointythings · 20/05/2024 10:06

No almost about it. I've been called an MRA because I don't agree letter for letter with the GC feminists on MN.

So have I.

pointythings · 20/05/2024 11:53

InsomniacA · 20/05/2024 11:50

Here's what I want to know:

Can I post a thread containing an insulting generalisation of any country, based on a random artist's work I admit haven't bothered to view? Or is that only allowed with certain countries, like Australia?

Well, this thread is still here.

Personally I wouldn't.

pointythings · 20/05/2024 11:54

ilovesooty · 20/05/2024 11:52

So have I.

And then they claim that they don't shut down debate... 😂

Einwegflasche · 20/05/2024 12:10

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 10:56

@Einwegflasche I’m not sure what you’re talking about tbh. Can you show me? Thanks

The girls school thread where you insisted at least one female poster was a man, simply because they dared disagree.

Branleuse · 20/05/2024 12:13

WomensRightsRenegade · 20/05/2024 11:04

Non-white Australian men also definitely have a problem with misogyny. You think things like sexual assault/ rape and domestic violence (astronomically high in both Aus and NZ) only committed by white men? Bonkers.

No of course i don't think white men have a monopoly on misogyny.

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