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The Australians hate women and girls?

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:41

It’s just come to my attention that there’s an Australian ‘satire’ 🤢 about a private girls school. The lead character is a girl played by a middle aged man. WTAF?? How is this ok?

‘… her character is written and acted by a thirty-nine year old man, projecting his own (outdated and dubious) idea of what teenage private school girls are like onto his performance. But whatever the reason for Ja’mie’s portrayal, there is no doubt that she is meant to be someone we cannot feel sympathy for and should not feel sympathy for. Lilley justifies us in laughing at Ja’mie, justifies us hating her. And by default, he opens the doors for us to hate on all teenage girls: the shallow, self-obsessed other to our purported multicultural and progressive society.

I hesitate to call Ja’mie: Private School Girl a satire, because its primary effect is to completely dehumanise and ridicule a single teenage girl to the point of hatred, rather than saying something about the mechanisms and ideologies that make her so revolting. At its best the series is puzzling and somewhat distasteful; at its worst, I think it does damage to the image of the teenage girl that real-life teenagers have to contend with. In a society that already has some very derisive views on what teenage girls are, I think we can do without Lilley’s attempts at satire, and some more novels like Beauty Queensinstead.’

The Australians hate women and girls?
The Australians hate women and girls?
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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 16:50

Mrsjayy · 19/05/2024 12:21

I had a bit of a wiki search apparently some of his shows have been removed from Netflix so his shows haven't aged well.

Excellent

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InsomniacA · 19/05/2024 16:51

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:44

It does. Never watched either of those. But know what you’re talking about ref pollard. Repulsive. Inbetweeners I’ve never seen or heard much about.

Despite never having viewed the body of work of the comedian she is criticising here, the OP is certain that people who are familiar with the series are all incorrect, that it cannot possibly be a satire. She is convinced the series she has never watched signals deep-rooted negative qualities in the Australian psyche.

Similarly, she has never viewed Little Britain, but says she 'saw clips' and found it 'repulsive.' She just knows it is repulsive, people. If she had any doubts, she only has to check that many other people online say it is so. No need to educate herself to actually understand the attitude she feels certain is correct.

She feels comfortable airing her criticism of things she has never fully investigated at all. She only needs a few clips, and she isn't going to have her mind changed by people with more knowledge of the material who assure her otherwise.

And her grammar indicates she isn't much of a reader.

This has to be one of the most ignorant and ill-informed OPs in Mumsnet history.

But this kind of ill-informed, self-righteous virtue signalling should terrify us all.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 16:58

@InsomniacA

‘And her grammar indicates she isn't much of a reader’

Ok Sherlock. No flies on you!

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SnickersWasAHorse · 19/05/2024 16:58

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 16:43

@SnickersWasAHorse

😂 what?

Ref the inbetweeners I said I’d never seen or heard - much - about. It’s all there in the post.

Derry girls I’ve also heard of but never watched. Is it strange to you I don’t watch much tv?

‘People pretending to be teenagers’- is that middle aged men pretending to be teenage girls? Because that’s what I was talking about in the OP.

It’s not strange that you don’t watch much tv, but it is strange that as someone who doesn’t watch much tv you’ve suddenly become outraged by a show from 15 years ago that I don’t think is available to watch anywhere.

Choochoo21 · 19/05/2024 16:59

YABU it’s just a piss take and nothing to get offended about.

Its like little Britain and the man in the wheelchair who’s not actually disabled.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 17:06

SnickersWasAHorse · 19/05/2024 16:58

It’s not strange that you don’t watch much tv, but it is strange that as someone who doesn’t watch much tv you’ve suddenly become outraged by a show from 15 years ago that I don’t think is available to watch anywhere.

Yes I can see your point. I’m probably hyper sensitive to the gender woo bullshit that we’re facing in the U.K. at the moment. And I know in Aus too. So a grown man characterising teen girls for grim humour at their expense, didn’t go down well.

Things like gender neutral toilets. I’d just been reading about that and all the issues associated. A post this week. There’s so much more (sexual assault etc) but this isn’t the place.

Hopefully your Tickle v Giggle lawsuit outcome will help women in Australia.

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StaunchMomma · 19/05/2024 17:30
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Oh FFS, OP. This is some Stretch Armstrong levels of reaching!

Chris Lilley is a Catherine Tate type comedian who plays many characters, of all ages/genders etc and has had many shows on Australian television (some of which that have also shown here).

Your taking one of his characters out of context and suggesting that it's existence means the whole of Oz hates women and girls?! Really?!!

If that's the case then BRITAIN IS AGEIST AND HATES NANS AND LONDONERS!!! Spread the news, everyone! There is a sitcom where a YOUNGER WOMAN dresses up a PENSIONER and SWEARS A LOT in blatant COCKNEY!!

OH THE OUTRAGE!!!!!!

🙄

pointythings · 19/05/2024 17:35

This thread makes me feel the need to start a thread asking for great scone recipes, just to see if someone manages to make it all about gender. 🙄

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 17:36

Oh dear.

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Einwegflasche · 19/05/2024 17:41

pointythings · 19/05/2024 17:35

This thread makes me feel the need to start a thread asking for great scone recipes, just to see if someone manages to make it all about gender. 🙄

As it is I have no issue with discussing anything to do with women's rights (and all the comes under that 'catch all' phrase), but the initial content of this thread has been an odd way of going about it.
As for scones, I find the BeRo cookbook recipes quite good. 😉

blackrabbitwhiterabbit · 19/05/2024 17:41

This programme is frickin hilarious 😂. Sorry, OP.

InsomniacA · 19/05/2024 17:57

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 17:06

Yes I can see your point. I’m probably hyper sensitive to the gender woo bullshit that we’re facing in the U.K. at the moment. And I know in Aus too. So a grown man characterising teen girls for grim humour at their expense, didn’t go down well.

Things like gender neutral toilets. I’d just been reading about that and all the issues associated. A post this week. There’s so much more (sexual assault etc) but this isn’t the place.

Hopefully your Tickle v Giggle lawsuit outcome will help women in Australia.

'So a grown man characterising teen girls for grim humour at their expense, didn’t go down well'.

You have been told multiple times by multiple posters who, unlike yourself, have actually viewed the series you are criticising that this is incorrect. He is not, in fact, 'characterising teen girls for grim humour at their expense'. Yet you keep bleating on about this, admitting you have not even watched the series. You are determined to be outraged.

You are embarrassing yourself here.

InsomniacA · 19/05/2024 18:01

SnickersWasAHorse · 19/05/2024 16:58

It’s not strange that you don’t watch much tv, but it is strange that as someone who doesn’t watch much tv you’ve suddenly become outraged by a show from 15 years ago that I don’t think is available to watch anywhere.

It is bloody strange to me that someone who hasn't watched the tv series she is criticising keeps insisting she knows more about it than the people who have actually viewed it.

Strange and pig-ignorant. And frightening.

OP, how do you feel about Salman Rushdie's work? I know you haven't read it, but lack of familiarity hasn't stopped you airing your opinions here.

Usernameisnotavailable0 · 19/05/2024 18:01

OP, I admire your continued commentary on other TV programmes that you've also never seen.

I'm struggling to see the link between 'of their time comedys' and unisex toilets (of which I'm comfortable with as long as seperate M/F are available too).

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 18:06

@Einwegflasche

I was feeling reckless and annoyed, so did a daily mail headline.

Gets people talking. I can see why they do it. Awful as it is.

There have been some informative and thoughtful posts on here, from some pp’s.

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 18:08

@Usernameisnotavailable0

‘I'm struggling to see the link between 'of their time comedys' and unisex toilets (of which I'm comfortable with as long as seperate M/F are available too).’

It’s ok, I think some other posters understand the common theme.

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theGooHasGone · 19/05/2024 18:13

Stunning levels of ignorance, well done OP!

pointythings · 19/05/2024 18:14

I think raising concerns about women's inability to access menstrual products in prison is a positive to take away from this thread. It's a huge issue in the US as well.

Silver linings and all that.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 18:15

Horrendous 🥺

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 18:16

theGooHasGone · 19/05/2024 18:13

Stunning levels of ignorance, well done OP!

Thanks babe

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Einwegflasche · 19/05/2024 19:13

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 18:06

@Einwegflasche

I was feeling reckless and annoyed, so did a daily mail headline.

Gets people talking. I can see why they do it. Awful as it is.

There have been some informative and thoughtful posts on here, from some pp’s.

I think coming in slating a show you've not really watched was a bad start point tbh. Come in with actual real concerns/issues, which you've thought about properly and can back up.

Einwegflasche · 19/05/2024 19:17

pointythings · 19/05/2024 18:14

I think raising concerns about women's inability to access menstrual products in prison is a positive to take away from this thread. It's a huge issue in the US as well.

Silver linings and all that.

Someone actually starting a thread on that, as opposed to a TV show, would have made more sense.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 19:23

Einwegflasche · 19/05/2024 19:13

I think coming in slating a show you've not really watched was a bad start point tbh. Come in with actual real concerns/issues, which you've thought about properly and can back up.

I’ve done that many times. It still turns into a shit show of disappointingly rude, aggressive and plain fact denying - or fact twisting - posts.

There has been the very odd exception. But in the main I find that trying to discuss the erosion of women’s rights, gets hijacked and ruined by a flurry of usual suspects.

This is MN not a Formal Debate at The OU.

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pointythings · 19/05/2024 19:29

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 19:23

I’ve done that many times. It still turns into a shit show of disappointingly rude, aggressive and plain fact denying - or fact twisting - posts.

There has been the very odd exception. But in the main I find that trying to discuss the erosion of women’s rights, gets hijacked and ruined by a flurry of usual suspects.

This is MN not a Formal Debate at The OU.

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It's because you make almost everything about gender. This is why I pointed out the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Period products in prison is actually a case in point - that isn't about gender, it's about misogyny and the way we choose to run prisons.

There is a valid and serious debate to be had about gender. Shoehorning it into literally everything that is discussed on MN is not the way to get that debate.