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The Australians hate women and girls?

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:41

It’s just come to my attention that there’s an Australian ‘satire’ 🤢 about a private girls school. The lead character is a girl played by a middle aged man. WTAF?? How is this ok?

‘… her character is written and acted by a thirty-nine year old man, projecting his own (outdated and dubious) idea of what teenage private school girls are like onto his performance. But whatever the reason for Ja’mie’s portrayal, there is no doubt that she is meant to be someone we cannot feel sympathy for and should not feel sympathy for. Lilley justifies us in laughing at Ja’mie, justifies us hating her. And by default, he opens the doors for us to hate on all teenage girls: the shallow, self-obsessed other to our purported multicultural and progressive society.

I hesitate to call Ja’mie: Private School Girl a satire, because its primary effect is to completely dehumanise and ridicule a single teenage girl to the point of hatred, rather than saying something about the mechanisms and ideologies that make her so revolting. At its best the series is puzzling and somewhat distasteful; at its worst, I think it does damage to the image of the teenage girl that real-life teenagers have to contend with. In a society that already has some very derisive views on what teenage girls are, I think we can do without Lilley’s attempts at satire, and some more novels like Beauty Queensinstead.’

The Australians hate women and girls?
The Australians hate women and girls?
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queenparrot · 20/05/2024 00:13

maddening · 20/05/2024 00:09

The people that are there now

You said "from its inception".

maddening · 20/05/2024 00:14

Yes the people there now are the decendants of the ones that went over and did the do

queenparrot · 20/05/2024 00:15

"did the do" - I must look out for your insightful future posts.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 20/05/2024 00:35

95% of Australians are racist and misogynistic? WTF! I can assure you I am 100% sure you plucked that statistic out of your arse. Why, a lot of us are even foreigners (and women!) ourselves!

NefertitiV · 20/05/2024 03:57

uneffingbelievable · 19/05/2024 23:15

WOuld not grow as far as to say all Australians hate women but would say having lived there twice - it is one of the most sexist Western countires I have ever lived in and I have lived in a fair few.

Combined with the laissez faire attitude to racism it is not a plesant combination.

So weird - I live in Australia and, in my experience, it isn't sexist at all - and I have worked in fair few workplaces that would be considered quite blokey. Occasionally I was the only woman on site. That isn't because there are natural barriers for women in those workplaces - women just don't pursue careers in them.

NefertitiV · 20/05/2024 04:09

@Greengablesfables

Yes I can see your point. I’m probably hyper sensitive to the gender woo bullshit that we’re facing in the U.K. at the moment. And I know in Aus too. So a grown man characterising teen girls for grim humour at their expense, didn’t go down well.

These shows are quite old. They don't reflect a current social attitude, and they really didn't even at the time they were produced as they were extreme parodies. To condemn an entire country and its people based on an outdated program they were not involved in is absurd.

This was not "characterising teen girls for grim humour at their expense". Have you felt the same way about every comedy you see? It's likely they're not available any more on streaming as they're old.

WalkingaroundJardine · 20/05/2024 04:19

Pippa246 · 19/05/2024 11:42

This. I am very gender critical and love this programme. It is a parody in which no particular sex/class/ethnic culture is spared.

Same. I loved this show. My favourite personality was the drama teacher.

Loved Jonah from Tonga too.

Inspireme2 · 20/05/2024 04:28

Thread titles wrong?
It's a dated programme.
Mrs Browns boys, actor came on a old Series on Graham Norton I was watching last night I would say these comedies are for perhaps a Australian humour oops how un pc of me.
Ja'ime is a 2002 mockumentry!
We all can have a option and joke for God sakes look at what comes out of the UK.
Who was that freak they sent to Nz?

cwoffeee · 20/05/2024 06:57

So many people these days don't understand satire. It's a real mark of stupidity.

OP, you would probably think Father Ted was racist and sexist too.

Unfortunately, we can't really make these shows any more because too many people are too thick to understand them. What even passes for comedy these days?

EverybodyLovesString · 20/05/2024 07:40

I think Ja'mie has anticipated you, OP.

The Australians hate women and girls?
Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:23

You don’t find this highly cerebral satirical programme written by a man, central character played by the same man, dressed as a teenage girl, playing a teenage girl, hilarious, like we do? You’re just stooopid! Ha ha! Stoopid!

Give me strength.

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Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:24

uneffingbelievable · 19/05/2024 23:15

WOuld not grow as far as to say all Australians hate women but would say having lived there twice - it is one of the most sexist Western countires I have ever lived in and I have lived in a fair few.

Combined with the laissez faire attitude to racism it is not a plesant combination.

Same. Quite.

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InsomniacA · 20/05/2024 09:33

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:23

You don’t find this highly cerebral satirical programme written by a man, central character played by the same man, dressed as a teenage girl, playing a teenage girl, hilarious, like we do? You’re just stooopid! Ha ha! Stoopid!

Give me strength.

You are a prime example of Dunning-Kruger effect. You are truly embarrassing yourself here.

InsomniacA · 20/05/2024 09:36

cwoffeee · 20/05/2024 06:57

So many people these days don't understand satire. It's a real mark of stupidity.

OP, you would probably think Father Ted was racist and sexist too.

Unfortunately, we can't really make these shows any more because too many people are too thick to understand them. What even passes for comedy these days?

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I'm still waiting for her top comment on Chris Liley's portrayal of teenaged boys, adult straight men, adult gay men, uni students, rich people, poor people, middle class people, British people, foreign people and adult women. Is Liley oppressing and mocking everybody then? Where is the rage and virtue-signalling on the part of adult men, adult women, teen boys, the rich, the poor, the middle class, the British, foreigners and uni students?

Einwegflasche · 20/05/2024 09:41

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:23

You don’t find this highly cerebral satirical programme written by a man, central character played by the same man, dressed as a teenage girl, playing a teenage girl, hilarious, like we do? You’re just stooopid! Ha ha! Stoopid!

Give me strength.

You are implying on this thread, and have on other threads, that people are all sorts of unkind things simply because they do not share the exact same view as you.

nothingsforgotten · 20/05/2024 09:41

Yet another OP with the weight of opinion against her and yet she insists that she knows best - despite evidence to the contrary. Yawn.

Einwegflasche · 20/05/2024 09:41

nothingsforgotten · 20/05/2024 09:41

Yet another OP with the weight of opinion against her and yet she insists that she knows best - despite evidence to the contrary. Yawn.

I am waiting for her to call someone a man.
She did that on another thread, and was almost bullying in how she did it.

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:44

InsomniacA · 20/05/2024 09:33

You are a prime example of Dunning-Kruger effect. You are truly embarrassing yourself here.

Bless.

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Davros · 20/05/2024 09:45

Your thread title is a bit rich.
I just didn't think this was at all funny

Sparklfairy · 20/05/2024 09:47

5bees · 19/05/2024 09:57

It was filmed 17 years ago. Just like a lot of old TV shows, it doesn't quite fit with today's views and values. I am certain Australia doesn't have a misogynistic society, but as with all countries all over the world, there will be a minor number of people who are misogynistic.

I am certain Australia doesn't have a misogynistic society - You sure about that?

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/australian-men-rank-among-most-misogynistic/

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australia-must-act-now-on-its-crisis-of-male-violence-and-misogynist-ideology/

Misogynist hate speech in Australia has become all too normalised. Often driven by a view that equality for women and diverse groups means inequality and disadvantage for men, an incredible 23 percent of Australian men find it acceptable to use sexist or misogynistic language online. The same survey also found almost one in five Australian men said it was acceptable to share intimate images of a woman online without her consent.

Australian Men Rank Among Most Misogynistic in Western World: Report

New research by Ipsos and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership reveals damning results about gender inequality in Australia.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/australian-men-rank-among-most-misogynistic

NefertitiV · 20/05/2024 09:52

Why do people feel the need to comment extremely negatively on countries they have little experience of?

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:53

Davros · 20/05/2024 09:45

Your thread title is a bit rich.
I just didn't think this was at all funny

You’re right. It was inflammatory. Sorry about that. I have some Australian friends who are not sexist misogynists.

There is a culture of misogyny and racism though. I felt more racism than misogyny but still both are there. There’s not much doubt about that.

Many places in the world are the same, U.K. included. The extent of it differs though, of course.

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NefertitiV · 20/05/2024 09:54

@Greengablesfables

Same. Quite.

You. Don't. Know.

Greengablesfables · 20/05/2024 09:55

Sparklfairy · 20/05/2024 09:47

I am certain Australia doesn't have a misogynistic society - You sure about that?

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/australian-men-rank-among-most-misogynistic/

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australia-must-act-now-on-its-crisis-of-male-violence-and-misogynist-ideology/

Misogynist hate speech in Australia has become all too normalised. Often driven by a view that equality for women and diverse groups means inequality and disadvantage for men, an incredible 23 percent of Australian men find it acceptable to use sexist or misogynistic language online. The same survey also found almost one in five Australian men said it was acceptable to share intimate images of a woman online without her consent.

Thanks for this piece @sparkl

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peebles32 · 20/05/2024 09:55

Is it any different to Kevin and Perry?

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