Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

are really trying to argue that inflating house prices is a good thing?

Or am I arguing that poor people being free (to make money from selling their houses) is a good thing?

Cod, is this you?! 🤔

Dissing Londoners really
Brighton is just as bad you know where ever you go house prices are rising even rooms I am a Londoner as you put it moved 6 years ago and where I am.now is a small town and I pay £500 a month to rent a room no frills no bed was even in the room when I moved here and this area is at poverty where you can't even get a job so .....

Got to be Brighton.

Didn’t realise you owned the city. Nobody allowed to move house because you don’t like it :(

Ha - many hit it on the head - on mumsnet if we moan that it’s incredibly expensive to live where we live we are told ‘why don’t you move to cheaper areas’ then if we do - we then get posts like the OPs here (amongst others) accusing us of either changing ‘the vibe’ or pushing prices up because some of us can pay a bit more than maybe ‘a local’ - and there’s an inherent feeling of ‘you need to move to somewhere a bit crap’ - not somewhere that’s still actually quite nice, just cheaper than the current area and definitely not’my’ slightly cheaper but still fairly hip area - impossible to win

Oh god, I can't bear your spoilt bleating.

I detest Brighton, it's a jobless dump full of hapless dreamers who think they can make it big. The streets are full of homeless, druggies and tents. The other half are rich snobs and people who play 1950s dress up.
I couldn't wait to get out of there.

I could not agree with you more. It's a hideous place full of self absorbed wankers and druggies. It's filthy, noisy, the shopping is shit (apart from the lanes) the beach is shit , the parking is a nightmare and there is a general air of seediness about the place, in spite of the fact that it's so expensive and weirdly aspirational. You'd have to pay me to live there.

I've just realised someone has resurrected this thread from last year and I am now repeating myself on it from when I posted on it the last time. 😂

And yet
my teens are obsessed with the place

i agree by the way

When I was a kid, Brighton was an unremarkable seaside town that Londoners went to for a week in the summer. In winter, it was dead, as seaside resorts often are out of season. I'm sure the people who lived there loved the place.

Over the last - what? - thirty years, the character of the town has changed immeasurably. It's a great town for young people, because it's walkable and social. It's liberal and tolerant for the most part. And, yeah, it's full of creative people doing interesting things in the arts generally. The music scene in Brighton is probably the most vibrant in the UK right now. And there's a lot of overseas students and all the cultural enrichment that that implies, though Brexit has dampened that a bit.

My kids moved there, because that's the kind of town they want to live and work in and create in. They're not rich - they're skint - mainly because rents are so high. And rents are so high because a town that attractive will tend to...er...attract people.

And it's you, OP, that has made it that way. You are a working musician - part of the culture that makes Brighton somewhere that people want to be. But of course it's also you that changed it from the way it was - the way it had been since the Prince Regent lost interest in it - just a seasonal seaside town that was great for days out and for ice cream on the pier but not much else. I remember older Brighton residents bemoaning the loss of that previous Brighton.

Maybe it's now changing again. I'm not sure that's true, but if it is, that's just the latest change.

What I find worrying is this stick-poking, nose-wrinkling reference to 'Londoners'. There's something lazy and prejudicial about that. It's not, to be frank, in the inclusive and generous spirit of Brighton. It's small-minded and slightly fearful.

Where do you tend to take that mindset next? And if you do go elsewhere and 'build a community', what will you do if that community is successful and attractive to people from other towns, who start to gravitate towards it, with their scaffolding and their restoration of the Victorian tiled paths?

Will you move again?

What I find worrying is this stick-poking, nose-wrinkling reference to 'Londoners'. There's something lazy and prejudicial about that. It's not, to be frank, in the inclusive and generous spirit of Brighton. It's small-minded and slightly fearful.

Agree so much. The problem is property prices not people, which I feel could be dealt with without demonising immigration which is essentially what this attitude does.

Best description ever.

But! Norway!
My soul resides in your watery fiords, fords, fyords inlets.

I agree too. I grew up in Brighton but now live in London. Who am I to say that other people can’t move to my hometown?

Most of the people I went to school with now live in Worthing as that is where they can afford a family house. Perhaps the people in Worthing are muttering about all these people who have come from Brighton.

I think you'll find that a lot of those "Londoners " are actually from small towns or other cities all over the UK, moved to London for work, and are now moving back out to towns like the ones they left, to raise their families.
I grew up in rural Hampshire, university in a regional city, then London for job opportunities. Pretty much ALL my friends in London have the same story. I suppose when DH and I leave London, though, no one will look past the most recent post code, and we'll be "those awful Londoners".
I moved to London because there was no suitable work in my home town that would allow me to afford a decent life there. Now you're doing the same. So you have my sympathy.

People used to (and maybe still do) say that about 'foreigners' moving into an area, that was wrong and so is saying it about Londoners. No one would say it about Northerners, as that would be offensive.
My friend likes to complain about the 'dfls' (down from London) I have to remind her she is one, albeit from 30 years ago!

I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.

So where are you going to move to and push those people out?

Bloody people. Always looking for somewhere to live. Selfish buggers.