Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

I wasn’t addressing you on the post where you quoted me. So it wasn’t directed at you. I don’t ever use the @ function, can you show me where I did? I quote and reply if I want to address someone directly.

It was actually 68 but I don’t like to show off ☺️ I basically said that OP sounds rather self important.

Yes, good advice!

They live in house and flat shares in the cheapest parts of the city, often at the mercy of especially unscrupulous landlords who cram people into properties in a dire state of repair. It is possible to find rooms to rent around where I live (zone 3, unfashionable bit of East London) for £400-£600 a month, but I certainly wouldn’t want to live in them. At best unhealthy, at worst lethal.

The greed of landlords and the desperate position the housing market puts people in results in awful things like this happening. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64914885

This thread is a good laugh. My takeaways

• No one should move anywhere, ever, especially if you’re not on the bones of your arse. You are taking a home that could belong to a local.
• If you move to London you will never be as London-y as Real Londoners. In fact you’ll never be a Real Londoner even if you live there for the rest of your life
• If you move anywhere from London you’re definitely a Londoner and stealing homes from locals except you’re not because you’re not as London-y as Real Londoners
• Apparently people do live north of the Watford Gap and are called “Northerners”.

Oh some more Londoner bashing, that’s a suprise.

To be fair some londoners haven't been that opened armed on this thread

I don’t know what that means. London is a city for all comers that’s the point of it. That’s a characteristic of capital cities in general, but particularly a city as multicultural as London. Discussion of what words mean has nothing do with that.

Tell that to the poster who's telling people they're not londoners

Yeah. They are odd though.

@Porridgeislife

This. Also anyone who has ever lived in London is rich, arrogant, smells, has an annoying accent and is incapable of creativity. And responsible for most of the problems in this country.

The hostility I have seen on this thread has not been coming from Londoners.

No one is saying it isn’t a city that has many people come to live there from all over the world, that benefits from that, indeed embraces it but that isn’t ‘the point’ of London are you suggesting that’s it’s only purpose? London has also been home to many people all their lives but now find they are pushed out of the communities that they were part of from childhood - see Brixton article linked by other poster above! Why should their concerns be dismissed, essentially money talks and suck it up! Absolutely awful!

There seemed to be offence taken by stating you are Londoner - the born and bred type rather than a Londoner that has adopted London as their home. Some of us are confused about this being offensive as what is wrong with saying where you were originally from in the UK, this is in relation to this thread as posters are stating that the people moving to Brighton are not Londoners they are people who have gone via London but are from elsewhere. I am a Londoner that moved to Brighton in the mid 00s, I will always be a Londoner and wouldn’t say I was a Brightonian despite it being a massive part of my life. People on this thread seem to think Brighton is just another borough of London with lots of posts about it being London by the Sea, well yes but that is historically about the distance to London for day trips to the seaside not about Brighton accepting and replicating what is happening in inner London. There are genuine concerns over so many properties being owned as tax haven companies and holiday lets and Air BNBs even in areas like mine which is not by the sea, is a family area, period properties, community atmosphere, it is completely inappropriate to have lots of Air BNBs and is ruining the makeup of my area in Brighton. I think the OP has a point, even if it was not expressed well, Brighton doesn’t want to go the way of inner London, we have a under average birth rate and infant schools are looking to close due to numbers, this is exactly the pattern that happened/is happening in inner London - why should people be silenced on this, it is massively convenient to dismiss these concerns as hostility as it silenced these voices that don’t want inner London to just be for the very wealthy!

That’s because they’re no longer sure who is a Londoner and who isn’t

I'm not a Londoner or in London but my friend is from there (moved away years ago and has been welcomed into our community).

So perhaps I don't have a right to comment, as someone who isn't a Londoner but I will anyway.

Can you blame them if some Londoners finally snap. This thread's title is especially unpleasant but it's just the latest of numerous London Bashing threads.

Add in the hypocrisy always directed towards Londoners, and I suspect some have understandably had enough

The multiple London Bashing threads complain about people from London moving to 'their' area, pricing out 'born and bred' Local locals.

According to the Bashers, someone is only a Local if 'born and bred'.

So why the surprise if long suffering London 'born and bred' people, who've been experiencing pricing out for years before almost anywhere else in the UK, finally snap.

Snap, and decide to point out that, going by the Basher definition of Local, many of the people moving away from London to the Basher's Local local area aren't Londoners but people from other parts of the UK (including the Basher areas) who moved to London and are now moving back out.

It's the hypocrisy that's, I suspect, got to Londoners.

It's not Londoners, generally, from what I know from my London born friend, welcoming and accepting all as locals (but understandably having enough finally of hypocrisy), who've done multiple threads Bashing 'blow ins' and slagging them off with sweeping generalisations.

One poster here even described incomers to 'their' area as a 'different breed'. What a horrible way to describe people. Insular to the extreme.

Well then I hope customers being served by people living in such awful conditions don't get snotty about tipping.

I carry cash and tip generously. So suggest everyone visit an ATM and carry cash for tipping

This

@Allfur Apparently, according to the London Bashers, someone is only a Local if 'born and bred'.

So why the surprise when London born and bred decide to fight back against the Bashing and point out that, by the Basher not Londoner, definition of Local, many of the people moving to Basher areas aren't Londoners. They're people who moved to London including from Basher areas, and are now moving back out.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. Either someone's a Local because they live somewhere and have settled there as a member of the community. Or they're a Local because of 'born and bred'.

Whichever it is, applies equally to London.

It shouldn't matter about 'born and bred' but it's not Londoners who obsess in multiple threads about it. It's the London Bashers who do.

Added hypocrisy is the many threads where a Londoner can't afford to stay in London. They're told 'nobody should expect to live where they're from' and to just move somewhere cheaper. Except if they do that, there's London Basher threads complaining about them moving there...

The real problem, which should be focused on and addressed, instead of Bashing of anyone, is mass displacement of not wealthy people.

People have always moved around. From and to London, and not only London but from and to other areas too. Happened for centuries.

The problem though is when there's mass displacement, including vulnerable people who need to be near their families and support setups, or who're forced to give up their jobs, and the shattering of communities.

It's been happening to Londoners for a long time and they're still the most affected (London has more homeless households than anywhere else in this country). Few cared when it was only Londoners. Except to Bash them for moving (unwillingly displaced in the case of the vulnerable homeless households, dumped outside London by London councils) to their areas.

However now it's started happening in some other places too. Inevitable consequence of Londoners being repeatedly told, on MN threads and offline,to just move somewhere else, but also the problem of tax haven properties.

It will just get worse, and affect more places and more people especially the vulnerable, unless the real issue is addressed. The need to tackle tax haven properties (which are often left empty), and the need for more social housing and work opportunities everywhere in the UK.

Added hypocrisy is the many threads where a Londoner can't afford to stay in London. They're told 'nobody should expect to live where they're from' and to just move somewhere cheaper. Except if they do that, there's London Basher threads complaining about them moving there

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I agree with this I’m a Londoner and have always lived in changing communities. But whilst there is always something positive equally there is always negative. I relate to the post - my area has an influx of young gentrifying couples moving in over last few years. Some are lovely and don’t relate to me as though I’m invisible( I’m their mothers age) but others are mystifyingly rich enough in their early 30s to buy whole houses and immediately ruin original building with masses of noisy extension works. Also they seem rather boring and humourless. What we used to call “straight” And as I mentioned, unable to relate to anyone who isn’t a clone. I’ve been thinking about moving too but can’t afford.

I have to ask, what is gentrification and gentrifying. Is it peculiar to London?

basically a traditionally poor area being moved into by richer people who are mainly attracted to lower house prices .

. . . those rich people then go on to inflate the house prices in the area to which they were attracted because of the low prices.

so that the poor people who are still there can get even more money from selling their own homes. And so on and so forth.