Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

@Goldenbear there are big issues with gentrification in Brixton (I grew up close by). Many people who made Brixton what it is are being priced out or forced out by local councils & the demographic of the area has changed considerably in a number of ways. But making that point makes me insular & parochial apparently.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/30/not-welcome-in-my-own-area-how-gentrification-is-segregating-brixton-17587009/

@LittleBearPad & @WellySunHat I assume the people in the article I linked are insular & parochial too?

Is someone even the OP allowed to express concerns about somewhere they lived for a long time. Do you live In Brighton? I am not sure if the OP expressed it well but yes, it was a bit like Camden used to be, before it was disneyfied (?) it did attract more alternative go with the flow people. People probably don’t want it to go like parts of London that are just weird now, streets are paved with Gold, wealthy live one place everyone else lives in another, it’s depressing, the lack of social diversity is depressing.

You can’t see it? Really? How would you describe telling someone who has made London their home that they are not a ‘proper’ Londoner?

mmm, 'Londoners'? I moved from London 20 years ago with DP - I'm Irish, DP is Canadian. The people 'from London' across the road are Aussie/Spanish, next door are Sussex/Scotland - moved from London. Kids best friend - Slovakian mum, dad from Manchester - guess where they lived before moving to Brighton????

The 'down from London' people, are very rarely actually from London, IMHO.

As for the 'vibe' ... TGE was just on, you really couldn't get much more diverse music that there. I hear Hastings is the NEXT big thing - maybe move there? You'll certainly have a lot less competition as a musician. I like the fact the standard is higher, but it's not for everyone

But people in Brixton are Londoners too right?

Would they be allowed to move to Brighton? Would they get a free pass because of their “authenticity”? Could you maybe give them a special visa while keeping those from Chelsea and Wandsworth out?

Londoners like me and my NHS colleagues are all affected by gentrification. We cannot afford to live in areas which were vaguely affordable in the 90s. I don’t know why these two issues are being conflated. It’s really strange.

Exactly, I find this baffling and exponentially ignorant!

Despite being born and brought up in England, I never call myself English as I know many won’t accept that, due to the colour of my skin. Good to know I can’t call myself Londoner too!

You can’t see it? Really? How would you describe telling someone who has made London their home that they are not a ‘proper’ Londoner?

I didn’t say you weren’t a proper Londoner, I just said I see a difference between myself as someone who is born & bred. What can you not accept I see a difference?

I don’t understand your point- sorry.

Despite being born and brought up in England, I never call myself English as I know many won’t accept that, due to the colour of my skin.

I don’t call myself English because I’m not.

Well they would be massive racists then wouldn’t they?

Londoners like me and my NHS colleagues are all affected by gentrification. We cannot afford to live in areas which were vaguely affordable in the 90s. I don’t know why these two issues are being conflated. It’s really strange.

So you don’t understand the article, well I don’t really know what else to say tbh.

Why do you think gentrification hasn’t affected me as a student who came at 18 at all?

I have had ridiculous assumptions about me eating avocados and making massive properties on housing.

They probably aren’t, no but this thread has become about two different things. Incidentally, I know loads of people in Brighton and most of them who have moved here are from London, whether they’re Londoners adopted or Londoners that were born there, and grew up there I wouldn’t know but yes, lots of different people from all over the world in Brighton.

Why do you think gentrification hasn’t affected me as a student who came at 18 at all?

So you are saying that you are as impacted by gentrification to an area as someone who was born & raised there & is then priced out by other people moving in? Ok…

This is my issue over housing shortages/prices - young people complaining they have nowhere to live - because their parents, their grandparents and their friends/peers have all sold their family-sized properties at extortionate prices to people from ‘outside’ to fund their downsizing and retirement nest eggs. This, rather than hand down their properties to their children as has been done for generations before. This, rather than down sizing and giving their children a deposit to get on the ladder.

If locals stopped selling their homes and pocketing the cash, outsiders couldn’t buy them. The underlying issue is the greed of many older locals. When young people cannot buy in the towns they grew up in, they should look to a generation of wealthy retirees.

so you are calling me a racist?

Yes. There are plenty of people with a racist mentality around.

I assume @LittleBearPad & @WednesburyUnreasonable aren’t going to explain why the people in the article are insular?

Well the person raised there may have an existing London property so not the same as someone arriving at 18 with no housing, so no not exactly the same.

No I assume not, just accuse people (me) of being racist as ironically they can’t seemingly imagine anyone being a Londoner with a different ethnic heritage.

If London is so expensive how do people on minimum wage who work in supermarkets, coffee shops, shops, manage to pay the rental some people are talking about. ?