Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

Well the person raised there may have an existing London property so not the same as someone arriving at 18 with no housing, so no not exactly the same.

I don’t even understand what the above means? Are you saying you are impacted more than children who were bought up in a London property because they grew up in a property?

Excuse you? I haven’t posted for pages and all I did post was a good humoured post literally pages ago about how people clearly use “Londoner” to mean different things and a lame joke about the Romans more recently.

Anyway since I’m here now, this whole argument over the past few pages is increasingly conflating at least two things and has descended into nonsense, which is why I couldn’t be arsed engaging until you inexplicably dragged me into it - it doesn’t actually make a blind bit of a difference to people being displaced if the people doing the displacing call themselves “Londoners” or not (or even if they come from another, richer part of London, or another county/country/continent). The issues with the UK job/housing market are far more complex than that.

Oops @WednesburyUnreasonable I meant to tag @WellySunHat

She is the poster saying that people who were raised in Brixton and are angry about being forced out of their community & aware from family are insular

???

You’re the one going on at length about people not being Londoners or Brightonians unless they were born and bred there.

Apologies @WednesburyUnreasonable but I agree it’s become pointless.

I accept that there are different kind of Londoner, some are new and some are born and bred here. That’s great!

What I object to is me saying I am a Londoner and being told explicitly that I am not. I feel like saying, ‘how dare you?’ And something less polite.

Can you repost the article you mentioned. I must have missed it. If you can’t be bothered to go back and find it, that is ok as I know I am being lazy!

No worries - apologies if I responded over-abrasively, seeing my name pop up unexpectedly felt like the universe somehow (probably rightfully) calling me out for lurking on AIBU, haha.

edit: originally called this the name of the similar board on Reddit….

You have taken 1+2 and made 4 to prove a point that I don’t, thrown a bit of defamation in with it!

Maybe you are touchy about it as you yourself benefit from the lack of social cohesion and the wealth divide…..

So you don’t see a problem with people who have lived in areas of London all their life been pushed out by wealthy relatively new residents? Is London just for the rich now? What do you think of the Brixton article linked by Pollipops1? Do you believe there are any issues at all? Or is it totally ok to forgo social cohesion? I strongly suspect you don’t really care, as long as you have your wealthy silos and private schools for your children to attend.

Perhaps we should just stop calling these people Londoners and just call them wealthy folk

@0hno That's perhaps a better description. Definitely better than the now common Londoner Bashing (which has started to extend to people from other places too).

I don't especially like any bashing though or generalisations, whether wealth levels, area of origin, or whatever else.

One of the big problems, both in London, and now it seems Brighton too, is the tax haven properties especially empty ones.

Separately, considering the title of this thread it's very unfair imo to criticise people from London for finally snapping and pushing back against the bashing. This thread's title is particularly unpleasant but there's been numerous similar threads.

Londoners, it seems, can't win. Because there's also multiple threads where someone from there can't afford housing in London and they're told to move somewhere else, except somewhere else doesn't want them and then there's threads like this one.

What's needed, instead of Bashing people for moving in or out of an area, London or wherever, is more social housing and good work opportunities everywhere and less Local local insularity.

People have moved around for centuries. Not only to London. Also out of London, and between other areas too.

I object to your othering of people who move somewhere, live there but are still not ‘Londoners’, or ‘Brightonians’ or ‘Glaswegians’.

Thats nothing to do with gentrification and your attempts to combine the two is unpleasant.

you yourself benefit from the lack of social cohesion and the wealth divide…..

What does that even mean?

@LittleBearPad

To address the 'born and bred' thing that's come up.

The many London Basher threads are full of people making it very clear they don't consider newcomers to be Locals as they're not 'born and bred'.

Yet at the same time they describe anyone moving from London as a Londoner regardless of whether that person is originally from London.

Absolutely 'born and bred' shouldn't matter.

However it's hardly surprising if, after much bashing, some London born people feel if everywhere else is only Local if 'born and bred', same applies to London.

They see people in other areas insist the only 'true Locals' are born and bred, so is it any wonder if some finally snap and point out born and bred Londoners exist too, have also been priced out (more so than most other areas).

If the bashers on this thread from West Wales, Devon, and elsewhere, insist on defining 'their' areas as Local only if born and bred, then it's no surprise if born and bred Londoners, fed-up with the bashing, point out that, by the Basher's definition of Local, many of the 'Londoners' they're moaning about aren't Londoners. They're people originally from Devon, West Wales, or elsewhere.

It's not Londoners (born and bred, or not) who decided to do this type of definition. It's the London bashers. It's also not Londoners (born and bred, or not) who've been on this thread describing incomers as a 'different breed'.

This is absolutely to do with gentrification, if it is not what gentrification is to you, how would you describe it? This wholly comes about because of gentrification, you are being obtuse, your motivations in doing so are where the question mark lies. You are being defamatory and trying to deflect from the issues by confidently and arrogantly dismissing gentrification as unrelated, it isn’t! Are you a politician- you seem adept in spinning and deflection!

‘Othering’ is hilarious, I am not a Brightonian even though I have lived here for 20 years, I don’t want to be a Brightonian as I’m not ashamed of saying that I am a Londoner.

What I object to is me saying I am a Londoner and being told explicitly that I am not. I feel like saying, ‘how dare you?’ And something less polite

I didn’t say you weren’t a Londoner, I said you can call yourself whatever you like. All I have said is I do not see you as the same as me. Apparently that makes me insular & parochial although you have agreed there are different types so that’s confusing. How dare I what? Have a different opinion or disagree with you? Suck it up I’m afraid.

Get a grip! You realise people
leave london because of Immigration? Yet i bet you would clutch your pearls and cry RACIST if that was mentioned. What is the difference? Only poor foreigners and druggies allowed in Brighton…No Londoners with money! Try Eastbourne

Somebody else, I don’t know the name, repeatedly said to me, ‘you are not a Londoner’. I was not addressing you specifically was I?

I object to your othering of people who move somewhere, live there but are still not ‘Londoners’, or ‘Brightonians’ or ‘Glaswegians’.

Othering?! 😆😆😆😆

@Againname don’t waste your breath.

I was not addressing you specifically was I?

Well you @ my username & called me insular & parochial so yes I assumed you were labelling me those things.

I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone!

At least your name hasn’t been defamed, I’ve been singled out as expressing similar opinions as you but I’ve noted LittleBearPad has only directed their concern at me and have come out with pure fiction!

@Goldenbear just ignore, some people just can’t debate so throw out baseless insults.