Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

Nobody moves to Brighton from the Home Counties, they are true blue and just stay in the Home Counties

What? Of course they do. East and West Sussex are “Home Counties”, do you think nobody ever moves from Eastbourne or Worthing to Brighton?

@WellySunHat I suspect it's happening because of the relentless London bashing as seen in threads like this one. I imagine some long suffering Londoners have understandably snapped. They've seen mass displacement from London because of people moving from other places, who then hypocritically complain about those displaced Londoners moving to 'their' areas.

It absolutely shouldn't matter about 'born and bred' but that does need to apply equally.

I hope you don't feel unwelcome in London. My London born friend assures me most Londoners, unlike Local locals on this thread and others like it, appreciate their mixed communities (although they do want and need more social housing, like everywhere else does, to prevent displacement especially of the vulnerable).

She was made welcome in 'my' area and she likes to think people like you feel the same in London (which is generally a very tolerant and welcoming place). People have moved around for centuries. All over the UK.

But you a few being quite precious over the term; there is evidently a variance on what constitutes being a Londoner and why is that so bad? I’m not sure how the term impacts your identity. Being a local is of course anyone who lives locally.

My DH and I were exiled to Brighton as we couldn’t afford were he grew up - Camden, does it matter? I suppose not so much to us but the lack of social cohesion from the gentrification of London is something that matters to people that consider themselves born and bred Londoners, there’s no doubt about that, go along to any public consultation for new developments and you’ll discover that.

Where not ‘were’

Probably hardly ever for two reasons:

1. Brighton is more expensive than both of those areas so it would be more of a challenge

2)They’re pretty conservative areas with a small C and no I don’t think that is even a large minority

As somebody who grew up in Sussex, I can tell you that large numbers of young people move into Brighton from the surrounding areas. You have a very weird idea of what the rest of the south coast is like.

Ridiculous post - the point is about the lack of social cohesion where areas become gentrified and this is happening in Brighton and Hove. Many properties that are empty as holiday let’s or tax haven owned there is no ‘neighbour’ to ostracise. The area I lived in Brighton is seeing more and more residential flats and home as air BNBs; it is ruining the place and the sense of community.

Brighton has always been London on Sea. I bet you don't know anyone whose family have been there longer than 2 generations. Keep up!

That is not a Brighton I recognise in 2024, definitely in 00s but isn’t that a lot of the point of this thread, large parts of Brighton are unaffordable for a large demographic, including young people, the logic of moving from a more affordable area as a young person or even free accommodation as living with your parents in Worthing means that this is nonsense. House shares in Brighton are not affordable, we ((DH and I) were asked by one of his young colleagues in a good professional job if he could put a bed in our garage and rent it out such is the issue!

Thanks.

I am now wondering if a few on this thread would look at me and my skin colour and ask me where I am ‘really’ from…

And yet I know lots of people who have done it (in the last five years) and can find 273 two bedroom flats on Rightmove for £1500-2000 pcm, which seems more than affordable for two professionals.

I am talking about people in their mid 20s to mid 30s who were already living with their partners, with reasonable jobs (some even commute up to work in London 😱). Not 18 year olds in their first jobs still living at home.

There are most definitely people who have been here for longer than two generations (do you live in Brighton?) and yes it has been called that because of its proximity to London for a day trip from Victorian times; the influences on the culture of the place but it isn’t referring to a replication of the gentrification of London and the corresponding high prices and it doesn’t mean no locals exist here! My neighbour is nearly 90 and originally he was from the East end, he has had a pretty hard life and in the past it was a depiction of that world being brought to the seaside town, it is hardly a reference to James and Felicity moving from Hackney where they weren’t originally from to purchase a big old pile and push anyone who has been here for over two generations out!

Yes, of course you do.

I wouldn’t call a young person someone in their 30s. People under 25 like London are having issues with affordable housing and they are not likely to be able to afford rents of 1500 -2000. Are you seriously suggesting rents in Brighton and Hove are not ridiculously high, even within Britain, it is always used as an example of unaffordable housing:

Eh, that would be a very odd thing for someone to say in London? I think you have massively missed the point.

isn’t it more and I’ll use my example from earlier, here, Mum gets asked where she is from in reception class coffee thing by Swedish Mum and she replies, ‘I am from Brighton’ with strong Mancunian accent; it is baffling to Swedish Mum especially as Scandinavian people are more direct. I have Scandinavian heritage and there isn’t loads of second meanings to everything.

I never thought people would get so precious over the term ‘Londoner’.

The irony 😆😆

I lived 18y in a northern town and have done 35y in London. I am definitely now from here! And will proudly state that if I ever get asked.

I find it odd in 35 yrs you haven’t met a born & bred Londoner.

@Againname

It won't stop the problem of the (hopefully minority) of genuinely prejudiced and insular Local locals who hate anyone 'not from here' or 'not like me', and it won't retrospectively change the mass displacement of Londoners that happened in the last couple of decades (when it was mainly only Londoners who were priced out, nobody cared, and it's only apparently a problem if it happens elsewhere).

Thank you. Not one person who objects to “Londoners” as a class has yet taken the trouble to explain what the despised “Londoners” who have been priced out of their homes are supposed to do and where they are supposed to live?

No, I’m saying that people do move into Brighton from the Home Counties, in response to you saying nobody does because young professionals living in Worthing and Eastbourne are too poor to afford the glittering lights of Kemptown, and too Tory to cope with the cosmopolitan lifestyle of Preston Park.

There’s some very unpleasant attitudes on this thread. Exclusive and discriminatory posts that would be deleted if they were referring to different races.

‘You can be a Glaswegian if you live there but not as good a Glaswegian as if you were born there and grew up there.’

‘Londoners have to be born and bred there - doesn’t matter if you live the majority of your life there, you’re not as good a Londoner as someone born there.’

And for those of you saying this - you’ll now say you haven’t said you’re better or worse. But you have, it’s leaching out of everything you write. It’s repugnant and you should reflect on it.

Who sells their properties to 2nd homers?

Couldn't agree more - whether it's my brighton, my london, my wales - it's all part of the same thing

What is your point?

@LittleBearPad

There’s some very unpleasant attitudes on this thread. Exclusive and discriminatory posts that would be deleted if they were referring to different races.

Absolutely this. It’s discriminatory and stupid and as you say it would not be tolerated if you swapped out the word “London” for any other location. I am sick of it.

Huh? What on earth are you talking about? Where did I say that? Some miscommunication must have gone on.

It’s not ironic. It’s an inclusive term to me. But not to you.