Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

Locals

Thank you. Yes. It’s very insular and parochial behaviour.

I know there are wider implications to prices being pushed up, of course - but anyone who can't afford to buy a place in Brighton at all and is therefore "pushed out" was hardly going to buy that big old pile if James and Felicity didn't want it.

Exactly. A local has wanted to make a profit and sold to an ‘outsider’ at exorbitant prices. Rather than to a fellow local at a reasonable rate.

You have totally missed the point. I live in Brighton and have done for 20 years, I personally don’t refer to myself as a Brightonian, I am Londoner, however I do like it here and is a significant part of my life due to having my DC here who are Brightonians, it is a significant part of my identity: whether someone is a Londoner is just an argument in semantics!

What is repugnant is dismissing real concerns and stress that people who have been born in London, did grow up there but aren’t included at all anymore, like I stated earlier, if you are privy to public consultations on redevelopments in certain areas of London you’d be well aware of this! It is slightly vomit inducing to read about how welcoming and inclusive it is why it correspondingly ignores those voices. This has zero to do with discrimination and what an odd thing to say as London has been a very diverse place for centuries! Londoners born with all sorts of heritage!!

Your point is, ‘locals’, can you elaborate as this is still not a sentence?

It’s not ironic. It’s an inclusive term to me. But not to you.

Huh? You are the one is very affronted that some people don’t see you the same as someone born & bred. That doesn’t mean you aren’t welcome or don’t belong.

As wellysunhat said earlier - Local people sell their properties to 'incomers' to make huge profits

*in response to goldenbear

What? I’m not really understanding your point as yes of course they are not going to buy the period property but surely you understand that the inflation of prices trickles down to the flats they once could afford - that’s how it works!

My point was that London by the sea, is not a reference to how London is just a replica of everything in London, that includes gentrification, it is a place in its own right. The term wasn’t about imposing inflated house prices on Brighton property prices.

You don’t like people like me using the term about myself. That’s not inclusive.

What on earth are you talking about? Where did I say that? Some miscommunication must have gone on.

So then you must have been asked at some point about what school you went to etc just normal common discussions about shared experiences. I was just curious as what you say to that & assumed you have never had those conversations?

A PP was right. You are parochial.

Who cares what school someone went to 20/30 years ago.

I answer the questions accurately.

You have lost me, sorry. It’s been a long thread and I may have got confused along the way.

What are you on about? Absolutely bizarre; what is you point exactly as it really isn’t very clear at all and out of interest why are peoples concerns about social cohesion not valid, what is so repugnant about people being priced out of areas they were born and grew up in?

@WellySunHat

No, I already said you could call yourself whatever you wanted, I just don’t see you as exactly the same as me.
In the same way that obviously I share my parents culture & heritage but if I moved back to their home country I don’t think I would be the same as someone who lived all their life there & I dont think it’s because they were not being inclusive.

@Goldenbear

What is repugnant is dismissing real concerns and stress that people who have been born in London, did grow up there but aren’t included at all anymore, like I stated earlier, if you are privy to public consultations on redevelopments in certain areas of London you’d be well aware of this! It is slightly vomit inducing to read about how welcoming and inclusive it is why it correspondingly ignores those voices

I don’t think anyone is dismissing these concerns at all. The displacement that property price appreciation has caused affects everyone other than the mega wealthy.

What I object to is the way that is channelled into an unpleasant blanket “othering” of people who have lived in London (regardless of where they originally came from and their circumstances) and blaming them for a range of ills ranging from second homes being empty to the OP losing her precious Brighton “vibe”.

It should be possible to discuss these issues without tipping into unpleasant generalisations about people due to the fact they have lived in London. It’s strikingly reminiscent of the way people talk about immigrants at the moment. Ugly and discriminatory. Case in point being the pitchfork waver upthread whinging about the supposed universal arrogance of all the Londoners in her town.

Who cares what school someone went to 20/30 years ago.

You are completely missing the point @LittleBearPad. I was referencing sharing of common experiences which I have already done on the thread. Of course no one cares about what actual school you went to, but when meeting someone who says they are from the same place as you it’s normal to find common ground.

In the same way how being a 2nd gen immigrant gives me common ground when talking to other 2nd gen immigrants about o upbringing etc.

It’s very insular and parochial behaviour.

Please explain why seeing a difference between myself as a born & bred Londoner to a Londoner who moved here as an adult is insular & parochial?

Sorry what?

gentrification may not mean anything to you but actually it is a real problem we have friends in Brixton who are constantly trying to bring this issue to the attention to those that will listen, they have lived all their lives, lost local spaces, it is you that has the obviously cushioned existence that doesn’t care about people who are not embracing the artisan coffee shops!

Is it wrong to differentiate between the two in any sense?

Again, please do tell me your defamatory views, you haven’t got a clue, you are the parochial one when you evidently and arrogantly believe everyone has your lovely inclusive experience of London.